Trac-loc rear LS...

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Well I have been thinking for the last few years I had a True Trac rear LS installed when I blew up the rear end 3 years ago... Was getting ready to post on another thread in another forum and looked at my invoice again...

I see it says "Installed Trac-loc ...." and they added a friction modifyer...

I think that explains the temp drop I have noticed since I serviced the rear end, however I cant find any info on the trac-loc...

Who makes the damn thing?
 

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I know its not a factory Ford LS, but damn I am chapped I didnt notice it earlier.

Picked up some Friction Modifyer today...
 

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That is the ford unit... they had 2 versions though, the 2 pinion and 3 pinion. The 3 pinion is more HD.
 

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Did you ever re gear the front diff?

LOL... nope. I carry the gears with me everywhere, just have not had the funds to do it. Something else always comes up. Pretty sure it will happen with this years tax return. :fustrate:

That is the ford unit... they had 2 versions though, the 2 pinion and 3 pinion. The 3 pinion is more HD.

Can you look it up by the part number?
 

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I don't have access to that but does it have a fordish part number? And when I said pinion I mean the number of side gears.
 

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Google'd the part number and it came up as a Ford part. If you requested a Truetrac, you didn't get it.

I did... Specificly a TrueTrac because thats what I wanted... Been three years now, doubt I would get any help out of them. Not to mention I requested all the parts to do the front diff minus the gears... And they sold me D60 parts rather then D50 parts. Didnt notice that until about a year ago.

Picked up the friction modifyer today, hope I didnt kill the clutches over the last 2000 miles.

Hey, Joe, what gears you have in your front end?

3.73's...
 

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I like how they say "customer reports rear diff is noisy"! Fricking truck came in on my flat bed, with the rear driveshaft removed in 4x4...

Every 10 feet or so the rear end would lock, then pop thru it and move again...

Retards...LOL
 

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What fluid have you been running in the rear when you changed it? Some of the fluids like valvoline and royal purple have the friction modifier aready mixed in it. I'm sure you will have the 3 pinion heavier duty carrier. The 2 pinion was used in the lighter applications like the 7700 f250 light duty ect. I believe the excursions got the 2 pinion as well. You won't mess up the clutches by not running the fluid you would just get a chatter feel from the rear end when you take off and are turning . Kinda like when you leave a stop sign and are turning and accelerating at the same time. Might feel like wheel hop. Thats what the friction modifier eliminates. The 9.75 rear end in the f150's is very tight. Even with the modifier they will do it sometimes. Fords actually changed the clutch material at least once to eliminate it instead of having to change the design. The 10.5 really doesn't need it that I have found. They are a loose limited slip and don't give you much of a problem usually besides not wanting to lock up .
 
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I will also add that I have found it rare for a 10.5 gear to break a tooth from the factory. Hell my e99 had 290k on it and the fluid only changed once and with truck pulling and 36's not to mention offroading they only had a slight bit of wear. After reading the invoice, I would assume you went to an aftermarket ring pinion set and the after market only makes a 10.25 gear set and you just have to use the matching install kit vs the 10.5 kit. All it really is is slightly different pinion bearings. Dumb ass should have known that. the aftermarket never felt the need to redesign there gear sets when the superduty came out. Hell if you were close i'd help ya set the front end up with the 4.30's.
 
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What fluid have you been running in the rear when you changed it? Some of the fluids like valvoline and royal purple have the friction modifier aready mixed in it. I'm sure you will have the 3 pinion heavier duty carrier. The 2 pinion was used in the lighter applications like the 7700 f250 light duty ect. I believe the excursions got the 2 pinion as well. You won't mess up the clutches by not running the fluid you would just get a chatter feel from the rear end when you take off and are turning . Kinda like when you leave a stop sign and are turning and accelerating at the same time. Might feel like wheel hop. Thats what the friction modifier eliminates. The 9.75 rear end in the f150's is very tight. Even with the modifier they will do it sometimes. Fords actually changed the clutch material at least once to eliminate it instead of having to change the design. The 10.5 really doesn't need it that I have found. They are a loose limited slip and don't give you much of a problem usually besides not wanting to lock up .

I had not changed the fluid since they installed it... I know I know... It was on the to do list for ever...

The fluid I installed this time was Shaffers 90wt IIRC.

The whole reason I even started digging is on the job the other day I was driving on one of the outlots and came to an off camber hill. Just drove up thinking I had a gear LS that locked pretty tight. Did the one wheel peel thing for a second and then backed up and hit it straight... Maybe it would have locked up had I waited a bit longer but I was pissed.


I will also add that I have found it rare for a 10.5 gear to break a tooth from the factory. Hell my e99 had 290k on it and the fluid only changed once and with truck pulling and 36's not to mention offroading they only had a slight bit of wear. After reading the invoice, I would assume you went to an aftermarket ring pinion set and the after market only makes a 10.25 gear set and you just have to use the matching install kit vs the 10.5 kit. All it really is is slightly different pinion bearings. Dumb ass should have known that. the aftermarket never felt the need to redesign there gear sets when the superduty came out. Hell if you were close i'd help ya set the front end up with the 4.30's.

The rear end...

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And yes, the gears I brought him were out of Bigr's truck. They were already instaled in a 10.5... It was also the same time that Mike and I got into it over the gears, I got one set of 4.56 and one 4.30... So I had a rear 4.56...

So I had to buy a set of gears anyway.
 

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Alright I run shaeffer as well. They do not have the friction modifier in it even though they are a high end oil. I discussed this with the shaeffer rep a couple weeks ago when I was changing the diff fluid in a buddies f150 and replacing with shaeffer. The rep told me that he only suggests the friction modifier in the f150's because of the tight clutch packs. The super dutys and chevy rear limited slips he said don't bother adding it because they are loose enough already. If you change it leave room in case you feel you need it but my guess is the shaffer is slick enough you don't need to add it in that rear end. And a ford trac loc will not lock on an off camber situation as you described. You can take a turn to hard and give the truck a little body roll and it will unlock. I've never run a true trac diff but from what I've heard it would lock in the situation you described. Crappy thing is the ford trac lock and the detroit true trac are about the same price new so if the idiots would of listened then you could have had it for about the same price.
 

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I have heard of a few people doing that.

Andy Risley said he restacked the clutches as the factory method didnt seem correct. He said it made a huge difference. Hes got a drw so im not sure of the logic of comparison.
 
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