up pipe killed my 72/59 TPP

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I'm going to have to stand up for jarred on this one. He helped me out big time when I had a problem with my turbos. Always a nice guy to deal with.


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I agree too.

If the stainless melted then it had to be hot.

You can't warranty a melted up-pipe. At some point the customer has to take responsibility for their driving and their vehicle.

If I melted an up-pipe, then it would be my fault for my egt's getting to the point to melt stainless. That's why we have pyrometers.
 
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I'm glad both sides of the story are out there now. There was never a doubt in my mind that Jared had this situation under control. Maybe Dan would like to explain why the bellow was so hot, and why he continued to drive it after he was advised not to. Also, why lie and say you checked the turbo when you didn't. I swear 3/4 of the technical/diagnostic support given by the vendor ends up like this. Customer is asked to verify something, says they do, calls back with same isuue, leads back to customer not doing what was asked of them. One simple step could have saved $3750 worth of turbos and a lot of diag time.
 

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I have a detailed response.
All typed in the quick response box but hit the back button on my phone and deleted it.

I will be replying with more detail this evening.

Few things real fast:

I had no personal problem with Jared, this thread isn't about Jared that's why I stated RCD in my posts.

EGTs never.......NEVER....... got to 2000, let alone sustained there.
as stated before the absolute highest I ever seen was 1700 for a 10th of a second.
I monitor with a dash daq for those wondering.

I checked the turbos the best I could, didnt find anything.
no they weren't torn apart then cause We, Jared and I, both agreed at first it looked like the bellow had just split.

Up pipe wasn't cut to show the liner missing untill it was to late.
 
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I hate threads like this. I know Jared to be a great guy. Helped me out when he didnt even know who I was but I was getting misinformation from my installer. Great guy.
 

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again this thread is not about jared or an attack on him.

the single and only reason i chose to start buying from RCD, witch ending up being around 15k, was because of a conversation with jared.
in that conversation, witch was about the parts that were on the truck i just bought, i asked if i have a problem with the parts that are on the truck will they warranty them. i was told yes.

so its not like i was just expecting things to be covered, i made sure to ask cause its never a given for warranties to transfer with a new owner.

The bellow was in no way "Very slightly distorted" it was very distorted. it was probably iirc 1 1/2" longer and way off centered.

The pipe distortion didn't change any in the 4 days between the 1st picture and the blown bellow picture, date is recored in the picture details on my phone. It was driven only once as "instructed" very slowly and carefully, had to get to work after problems with my jetta.

buts thats irrelevant.....why, cause the inner liner had already came loose causing structural failure of the bellow, leading to overall instability of the piping long before i seen there was a problem or the bellow splitting.

go take a foot long section out of the frame of our trucks and see how well it holds form with a key structural component compromised.

as for the getting it hot and melting it, thats were i started to have a problem with RCD not jared.

it was the passenger side pipe with the problem. the same side as we all know that has the EGT probe, witch was new. back pressure sensor was also new.
i monitor with a dash daq and have never seen EGTs get to 2000.
last i knew dash daqs were an acceptable way of monitoring.
it also takes sustained heat to melt metal, not just a flash of heat.

aslo, if i ran my truck up to and held 2000 degrees it would show both pipes got hot "glowing hot" right?
well RCD said the driver side was fine, no sings of melting or extreme heat.
so that leaves a mechanical issues from my truck to cause extreme, glowing pipe type heat.
wouldnt that kind of heat melt stock pistons?

never had any sort of problems to speak of motor wise.
it must of been some sort of undetectable, self fixing problem that happened and i didn't see it get to 2000 degrees and disintegrate the inner liner?

then what did elite pull out of the low pressure?

i dugg in the HP as far as i could with picks, needle nose pliers and didnt find anything.

real nice to be called a lier cause i didn't find anything.

jared did say he had a high pressure core with a broken shaft and a damaged compressor side.....did anything happen with that, no......would something happen with more time, i 100% believe so.
unfortunately i dont have tons of time until i need my truck back.

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Email pics are to show dates as a rebuttal.
wasnt as simple as "got an email yesterday, responded in 3 minutes"
Not unhappy with the communication and wasn't being pissy about it just, went out and found some cores cause I have 6 years of time riding on getting my truck running.

jared,
every post i made never referenced you...implied it was your fault....said i wasnt taken care of by my contact at RCD.

THIS WASNT TO BOMB YOU!!

bottom line to me is the bellow that failed cost me 4,700

do i think RCD should of replaced the up pipe....yes
do i think RCD should of helped with the cores and not Jared personally......yes
did i complain about communication....nope thought it was fine

do i feel like RCD stood behind their product.....no
 
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again this thread is not about jared or an attack on him.

the single and only reason i chose to start buying from RCD, witch ending up being around 15k, was because of a conversation with jared.
in that conversation, witch was about the parts that were on the truck i just bought, i asked if i have a problem with the parts that are on the truck will they warranty them. i was told yes.

so its not like i was just expecting things to be covered, i made sure to ask cause its never a given for warranties to transfer with a new owner.

The bellow was in no way "Very slightly distorted" it was very distorted. it was probably iirc 1 1/2" longer and way off centered.

The pipe distortion didn't change any in the 4 days between the 1st picture and the blown bellow picture, date is recored in the picture details on my phone. It was driven only once as "instructed" very slowly and carefully, had to get to work after problems with my jetta.

buts thats irrelevant.....why, cause the inner liner had already came loose causing structural failure of the bellow, leading to overall instability of the piping long before i seen there was a problem or the bellow splitting.

go take a foot long section out of the frame of our trucks and see how well it holds form with a key structural component compromised.

as for the getting it hot and melting it, thats were i started to have a problem with RCD not jared.

it was the passenger side pipe with the problem. the same side as we all know that has the EGT probe, witch was new. back pressure sensor was also new.
i monitor with a dash daq and have never seen EGTs get to 2000.
last i knew dash daqs were an acceptable way of monitoring.
it also takes sustained heat to melt metal, not just a flash of heat.

aslo, if i ran my truck up to and held 2000 degrees it would show both pipes got hot "glowing hot" right?
well RCD said the driver side was fine, no sings of melting or extreme heat.
so that leaves a mechanical issues from my truck to cause extreme, glowing pipe type heat.
wouldnt that kind of heat melt stock pistons?

never had any sort of problems to speak of motor wise.
it must of been some sort of undetectable, self fixing problem that happened and i didn't see it get to 2000 degrees and disintegrate the inner liner?

then what did elite pull out of the low pressure?

i dugg in the HP as far as i could with picks, needle nose pliers and didnt find anything.

real nice to be called a lier cause i didn't find anything.

jared did say he had a high pressure core with a broken shaft and a damaged compressor side.....did anything happen with that, no......would something happen with more time, i 100% believe so.
unfortunately i dont have tons of time until i need my truck back.


wasn't pissy about it just went out and found some cores.

jared,
every post i made never referenced you...implied it was your fault....said i wasnt taken care of by my contact at RCD.

THIS WASNT TO BOMB YOU!!

bottom line to me is the bellow that failed cost me 4,700

do i think RCD should of replaced the up pipe....yes
do i think RCD should of helped with the cores and not Jared personally......yes
did i complain about communication....nope thought it was fine

do i feel like RCD stood behind their product.....no

i was gonna make a post paraphrasing what you just said.. seems like jared cerainly isnt the problem, he's more than proven himself, and the thread shouldnt be viewed as you vs. jared .. you need some serious fuel and serious pedal to the floor to ever sustain 2000* .. do you even have the fuel to do that?
 

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Lack of boost can cause high egts

so which came first the chicken or the egg? At this point is probably impossible to tell
 

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Intake does not care what side a leak is on. So a lack of boost does not explain the other side not being discolored.
 

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Intake does not care what side a leak is on. So a lack of boost does not explain the other side not being discolored.

This is what I'm thinking. Intake feeds both sides, which feeds both up pipes and which feeds both turbos. You cant have a bias side. One bank should, in theory, match the other bank hand in hand. You can go all day saying to much fuel, to hot, not enough air, Thais and that blah blah blah, but what it comes down to is WHY is one bellow destroyed and the other perfectly fine.

Seems like this bellow was the .01% in a 99.9% safe bellow world.
 

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Intake does not care what side a leak is on. So a lack of boost does not explain the other side not being discolored.

Lol you gotta be kidding me


if you add fuel but boost or air flow is down your egts will go up. Ask anyone who's running a single what thier egts are compared to a sock turbod truck



in fact I invite you to unplug your vgt actuator and go test it for yourself...
 

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Lol you gotta be kidding me


if you add fuel but boost or air flow is down your egts will go up. Ask anyone who's running a single what thier egts are compared to a sock turbod truck



in fact I invite you to unplug your vgt actuator and go test it for yourself...

There is no doubt a lack of boost from a leaky up pipe would cause high egts. But the amount of air coming from each bank to the up pipe is still the same on both sides even if it is a lower amount of air. Right?
So both bellows should have sustained the 2000* in question right?
Then why is one destroyed and the other not?
 
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Just for clarification, my comment wasn't aimed at Jared either.

I think most people in this game that spend a significant amount of money understand when you play, you must pay. However, when we pay top dollar for motors, parts, etc. we expect them to work as advertised especially if we are following the build guidance provided by the shops we buy products from.

So, IMHO this is why the OP feels left hanging in this situation. As a business owner, we would always want it to be a win (profit), win (happy customer), but that isn't reality.

As for how it happened exactly, I will leave that up to all of you guys with the years of experience in the game. But, for the businesses that make a living from this game they need to recognize we are not all savvy diesel veterans and if we were, a lot of these shops would not be open to collect our money becuase we would be building our own trucks like Dustin and a few others.

If this gets me banned, so be it!
 

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Lol you gotta be kidding me


if you add fuel but boost or air flow is down your egts will go up. Ask anyone who's running a single what thier egts are compared to a sock turbod truck



in fact I invite you to unplug your vgt actuator and go test it for yourself...

Seeing as you took my post wrong I will explain a little more. A leaking up pipe will cut down on BP. Lack of drive pressure will in turn cause a lack of boost which will be supplying an equally inadequate amount of air to both heads. This will cause high egts in both up pipes. Not just the side that failed. High egts in both pipes means both pipes would be discolored.


So going off the fact that one side is discolored and the other is not means over fueling not a lack of total boost. Do you agree now?
 

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Seeing as you took my post wrong I will explain a little more. A leaking up pipe will cut down on BP. Lack of drive pressure will in turn cause a lack of boost which will be supplying an equally inadequate amount of air to both heads. This will cause high egts in both up pipes. Not just the side that failed. High egts in both pipes means both pipes would be discolored.


So going off the fact that one side is discolored and the other is not means over fueling not a lack of total boost. Do you agree now?

My mistake. However the change in flow or lack there of will create higher temps. Is it enough to do as we are taking? I can't answer that.


My next question would be is there a gate and where is it located
 

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