webb06 official build thread

[powerstroked08]

You know Dillon You have the worst luck!. Between the block issuses and the intercooler. I mean how many no limits intercoolers are out there with no issues and you get the one that has an issue. You must be a patient person!

 

[Dzchey21]

Did you have this issue as well Dustin?

no i have ran a 100 percent stock intercooler since day 1

 

[B585Ford]

Webb, are you also monitoring boost between the stages also? If so, what numbers were you seeing for boost out of the big guy (LP)? Did the ratio of the HP vs. LP turbo at WOT change any once you swapped the IC?

 

[bigrpowr]

Webb, are you also monitoring boost between the stages also? If so, what numbers were you seeing for boost out of the big guy (LP)? Did the ratio of the HP vs. LP turbo at WOT change any once you swapped the IC?

thats what dustin said, they were seeing higher pressure out of the atmo with the intercooler doing stupid stuff. i believe dillon was seeing atmo pressure and overall pressure like most of us watch with the maxximizer kit on the dashdaq.

 

[webb06]

Webb, are you also monitoring boost between the stages also? If so, what numbers were you seeing for boost out of the big guy (LP)? Did the ratio of the HP vs. LP turbo at WOT change any once you swapped the IC?

With the no limit I was seeing 35 psi out of the atmo but once I swapped back to stock I'm seeing about 28 psi at the atmo. The restriction of whatever is going on with the IC was screwing with a lot of numbers.

 

[B585Ford]

With the no limit I was seeing 35 psi out of the atmo but once I swapped back to stock I'm seeing about 28 psi at the atmo. The restriction of whatever is going on with the IC was screwing with a lot of numbers.

If total boost was up and atmo boost was down after the IC switch, you have to conclude your VGT was being driven harder to make the boost cause the extra boost had to come from somewhere, right? Most times everyone is trying to figure out how to drive the atmo harder, not the VGT. So do you or Dustin have any theory as to why you would gain total boost while losing boost produced from the atmo if the IC was problem? I am no expert, but I cannot think of how this would happen unless there is more to this than just the IC. If there is a way this could happen with the only issue being the IC, please explain cause I would love to understand it.

 

[BBottoms]

Restriction in intercooler = higher back pressure = higher vgt boost?

 

[BBottoms]

Atmo, not vgt

 

[B585Ford]

Atmo, not vgt

Again, I am just trying to understand this....
First, I thought they said EBP went up (along with boost) after switching to the stock IC? I would think if you are creating more boost, you are creating more exhaust gas which would result in higher EBPs (assuming the vanes are in the same position). Is that wrong?
I also thought he was gated to the DP and not the atmo so even if your bigger restriction theory was correct in that higher EBP drove atmo harder, why is the VGT creating so much less boost with higher EBP as to allow the total boost to be down (with the same programming which would assume the same vane position for a certain EBP)?

 

[webb06]

Again, I am just trying to understand this....
First, I thought they said EBP went up (along with boost) after switching to the stock IC? I would think if you are creating more boost, you are creating more exhaust gas which would result in higher EBPs (assuming the vanes are in the same position). Is that wrong?
I also thought he was gated to the DP and not the atmo so even if your bigger restriction theory was correct in that higher EBP drove atmo harder, why is the VGT creating so much less boost with higher EBP as to allow the total boost to be down (with the same programming which would assume the same vane position for a certain EBP)?

I'm gating to the atmo. My assumption is that the no limit intercooler was choking down the vgt making it seem like it was only producing a small amount of boost while the atmo was creating the same boost but because the vgt couldn't push it through the intercooler pressure was getting built up in the atmo creating the crazy high boost number.

 

[alradco]

Interesting. I certainly don't want to step on any toes but if you want us to take a peek inside to see what's up just let me know.

Peter

 

[B585Ford]

I'm gating to the atmo. My assumption is that the no limit intercooler was choking down the vgt making it seem like it was only producing a small amount of boost while the atmo was creating the same boost but because the vgt couldn't push it through the intercooler pressure was getting built up in the atmo creating the crazy high boost number.

The fact I was incorrect about where you were gating changes things a lot. Your assumption makes perfect sense to me. Again, thanks for helping me grasp this concept.

 

[webb06]

Updating this a little. The top bracket on my dual fueler kit had a massive crack through it so I decide I probably outta get that fixed. Since the radiator had to come out and it already had a slow leak I ordered up a mishimoto replacement to go in. I also replaced the front pump which was my original pump. I also got a smokin deal on some elite 8 hole 150hp nozzles so I swapped those in as well. Also swapped out my precision gate, that has never worked, for a tial gate. I still need to get some updated tunes because this thing fuels extremely hard now and is really smokey even on my tow file from Matt. Here's one pics because I know everyone loves them

The initial tear down


The nice crack in the pump bracket (Jeremy sent me a new one ASAP at no charge)


The fitting under the high pressure line spun as did the pump feed line. And I couldn't get any wrench to hold. So the cab came off because I was tired of screwing with it




Beautiful piece here

 

[webb06]

Everything buttoned up back here


Front pump and bracket swapped


Gate swapped out (tial dropped right in place)


All cleaned up

 

[gman1]

Looks awesome!
Any fitment issues with the Mishimoto rad?

 

[Jbenso127]

Awesome Dillan! To bad that pretty new radiator is hidden back behind all that mess!

 

[webb06]

Looks awesome!
Any fitment issues with the Mishimoto rad?

None. This is the second I've installed. A warning would be to use the new screws they supply to bolt the fan shroud to it. They are shorter and the factory ones will poke a hole through the end tank.....ask me how I know. Also be very gentle with the nipple sticking out on the top passenger side. I bent mine over when putting the top fan shroud on and it cracked when I bent it back. So I had to get it tigged up. Other than that it's a great piece.

 

[webb06]

Awesome Dillan! To bad that pretty new radiator is hidden back behind all that mess!

No kidding! I wish it were out front haha

 

[B585Ford]

No kidding! I wish it were out front haha

Based on your previous work, I am estimating it took you 2.5 hrs from start to finish.:rockon:

 

[webb06]

Based on your previous work, I am estimating it took you 2.5 hrs from start to finish.:rockon:

I wish! It took longer than expected since I pulled the cab! But I'm glad I did since I got to swap the gate out and touch a few things up