Charles
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I can't be sure.... but back in 49 when I cold-called Jim at EH and settled on trying a set of 30% nozzles, that may have been the start.
They were fine and dandy compared to a stock 466 6 holer... And IIRC, even back in the dark ages I still pulled 544 on the DJ on fuel. Seemed like good times. Then when the same setup with a 200 EDM went 590 all-else-constant, and simultaneously ran crystal clean with an empty 238cc injector it became obvious that the little 30% was a complete waste.
My dedicated tow vehicle for light stuff is a 550 with a 38R and 300/100's. Only reason it isn't running 200's is the 100's were take-offs sitting on the shelf for a good deal at the time. It would never pull the same power/egt with a tiny little 30% nozzle. As it stands, it will not ever exceed 1250 degrees, flat to the floor for eternity. I regularly run around 30k. And it's making enough power to have melted one ZF6, and the carrier bearings out of a Dana S110. I have since added another cooler to the ZF and run full synthetic in the rear. Motor never exceeded 1250. Usually runs ~1100 to 1200 flat to the floor, steady-state.
You won't pull that hard with a 30 and stay in that temp range without compounds and water, and more timing. Basically, more engine stress for no reason other than trying to make a slow nozzle keep up. The 30 and the 100 may be close, but a 200 is the real winner, and it's night and day.
If I had a choice, I would run a 200 on anything sub 600hp. I don't care if it was an AD. 200EDM would be crisp and clean. Much cleaner than the stock nozzle at say 250 to 300 wheel.
As for driving on the street. It's super simple. If the truck smokes.... and you don't like it.... pull pw. If you can't find the power you want and the smoke you want with any nozzle size currently available, you either have an engine/charger issue, or you just can't write a program because you don't know how an engine works. A lot of tuners fall into the washed out IT category, who then find themselves tuning engines because they know computers. They have a hard time with bigger nozzles, additional oil/fuel delivery systems and so on. They usually depend on the limitations of the engine systems to bracket their commanded values into ranges that will work, and when the engine systems are opened up the dumb values for pressures and dumb transitions between areas of the maps become pronounced and get highlighted. If you can't tune a 400/400 to drive down the street, snappy and responsive with little to no smoke whatsoever, then you need to consider the possibility that you don't know what you're doing at least in some major area. If you took the turbo off the truck I could have a 7.3 zipping around on 4/4's no prob. It would be slow as balls with no boost, but it wouldn't be rolling coal. Run like a strong IDI.
If a man like Mike-O can pass the California emissions test in the same program that pulls 6 hundo on the dyno with a set of 4/4's, what's your excuse for simply getting someone down the road and back again with decent smoke control?
With my red truck running 1500psi with IPR issues I towed an F350 on 48" tires on a dual tandem gooseneck over 4 hours each way with 4/4's no problem. In fact, in that route was a trip over Mont Eagle once there and once back again.
I also drove for months on a single 15* pump with 4/4's and a 94mm first stage charger with excellent response and power. Rolling burnouts all day. Little smoke at all. On a single OBS pump pulled from a junkyard truck.
Now if you don't have the file right... then yeah, a decently quick injector will tell on you. Truck will be a nightmare. All day long.
Get the file right. Don't sell fag injectors because you have bad files or can't tune. On the other side of the argument, if I didn't already have a file I had written for a given setup, or... couldn't sit in the truck for a half a day zipping around dialing it in, I would tell people to forget anything over a 200, or buy tuning software and tune it themselves.
The only actual downside that should be considered when selecting nozzles of larger and larger flowable area, is idle quality, vs idle haze. At and beyond a 200, you will have to start to choose a bit between buttery smooth idle quality on a hot engine, vs a little hazing out the tailpipe. I'm okay with the haze when I'm sitting at a light for longer than a minute or so. And even that may just be the 15:1 or so CR I was running more than the nozzle.
Just my take.
Oh.... and I would probably pay a lot for an injector that emptied a significant quantity in 1, lol. Idle might be a little touch and go, but I'd figure it out, lol.
We do not review, test, or even pay attention to whats uploaded here. So if you blow up your vehicle, other peoples vehicles, kill your cat with them or get infected by some deadly virus that harms anything or causes the zombie apocalypse we are not responsible any way, form or fashion.
Take it up with whoever uploaded the bin file not us.
<insert more legal bs to close this disclaimer>
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I can't be sure.... but back in 49 when I cold-called Jim at EH and settled on trying a set of 30% nozzles, that may have been the start.
They were fine and dandy compared to a stock 466 6 holer... And IIRC, even back in the dark ages I still pulled 544 on the DJ on fuel. Seemed like good times. Then when the same setup with a 200 EDM went 590 all-else-constant, and simultaneously ran crystal clean with an empty 238cc injector it became obvious that the little 30% was a complete waste.
My dedicated tow vehicle for light stuff is a 550 with a 38R and 300/100's. Only reason it isn't running 200's is the 100's were take-offs sitting on the shelf for a good deal at the time. It would never pull the same power/egt with a tiny little 30% nozzle. As it stands, it will not ever exceed 1250 degrees, flat to the floor for eternity. I regularly run around 30k. And it's making enough power to have melted one ZF6, and the carrier bearings out of a Dana S110. I have since added another cooler to the ZF and run full synthetic in the rear. Motor never exceeded 1250. Usually runs ~1100 to 1200 flat to the floor, steady-state.
You won't pull that hard with a 30 and stay in that temp range without compounds and water, and more timing. Basically, more engine stress for no reason other than trying to make a slow nozzle keep up. The 30 and the 100 may be close, but a 200 is the real winner, and it's night and day.
If I had a choice, I would run a 200 on anything sub 600hp. I don't care if it was an AD. 200EDM would be crisp and clean. Much cleaner than the stock nozzle at say 250 to 300 wheel.
As for driving on the street. It's super simple. If the truck smokes.... and you don't like it.... pull pw. If you can't find the power you want and the smoke you want with any nozzle size currently available, you either have an engine/charger issue, or you just can't write a program because you don't know how an engine works. A lot of tuners fall into the washed out IT category, who then find themselves tuning engines because they know computers. They have a hard time with bigger nozzles, additional oil/fuel delivery systems and so on. They usually depend on the limitations of the engine systems to bracket their commanded values into ranges that will work, and when the engine systems are opened up the dumb values for pressures and dumb transitions between areas of the maps become pronounced and get highlighted. If you can't tune a 400/400 to drive down the street, snappy and responsive with little to no smoke whatsoever, then you need to consider the possibility that you don't know what you're doing at least in some major area. If you took the turbo off the truck I could have a 7.3 zipping around on 4/4's no prob. It would be slow as balls with no boost, but it wouldn't be rolling coal. Run like a strong IDI.
If a man like Mike-O can pass the California emissions test in the same program that pulls 6 hundo on the dyno with a set of 4/4's, what's your excuse for simply getting someone down the road and back again with decent smoke control?
With my red truck running 1500psi with IPR issues I towed an F350 on 48" tires on a dual tandem gooseneck over 4 hours each way with 4/4's no problem. In fact, in that route was a trip over Mont Eagle once there and once back again.
I also drove for months on a single 15* pump with 4/4's and a 94mm first stage charger with excellent response and power. Rolling burnouts all day. Little smoke at all. On a single OBS pump pulled from a junkyard truck.
Now if you don't have the file right... then yeah, a decently quick injector will tell on you. Truck will be a nightmare. All day long.
Get the file right. Don't sell fag injectors because you have bad files or can't tune. On the other side of the argument, if I didn't already have a file I had written for a given setup, or... couldn't sit in the truck for a half a day zipping around dialing it in, I would tell people to forget anything over a 200, or buy tuning software and tune it themselves.
The only actual downside that should be considered when selecting nozzles of larger and larger flowable area, is idle quality, vs idle haze. At and beyond a 200, you will have to start to choose a bit between buttery smooth idle quality on a hot engine, vs a little hazing out the tailpipe. I'm okay with the haze when I'm sitting at a light for longer than a minute or so. And even that may just be the 15:1 or so CR I was running more than the nozzle.
Just my take.
Oh.... and I would probably pay a lot for an injector that emptied a significant quantity in 1, lol. Idle might be a little touch and go, but I'd figure it out, lol.
