6.4 compound setup non vgt

forcefed6.4ford · Jan 17, 2012

Wonder how that would work in the ol F450? Might need a regear...

extreme3807 · Jan 17, 2012

jealous chris....Nice work guys, cant wait to see it in person

Corb@CorbinShipping · Jan 17, 2012

powr2stroke said:
sho looks good Corb. !!

I keep seeing that orange trans, and i have to remind myself, that is your truck! lol! hopefully it makes it on my rig in the next few weeks.

forcefed5.9ford said:
Wonder how that would work in the ol F450? Might need a regear...

I think, that these are gonna work pretty good with the shorter gears.... i have 4.10s in the 250, so, i ll let you know how it goes.... however, it also has 35.5 inch tall tires... so, like 3.73 effective ratio....

extreme3807 said:
jealous chris....Nice work guys, cant wait to see it in person

hey, your rig is bad ass! nothing to be jealous of....

HD F250 · Jan 18, 2012

Powerstroked162 said:

Looking good, I know you gotta be getting excited Chris! I am usually very patient, but waiting on this build is trying my patience. :fustrate:

madman1234509 · Jan 18, 2012

As for wondering if non vgt turbos will work.... Sure they will. People have been putting non vgt compounds in dmaxes and cummins for years. There is no reason they shouldnt work, its a matter of having proper housing sizes, esp on the high pressure charger for spool up. And a good gate set up and tuning.

As for price... An S 480 off their site is 1650. I'm sure if you look around online some dealers might sell them cheaper. Bullseye turbos arent that expensive compared to garrett and precision ball bearing turbos. Why do you think the guys from mpd call their compound setup they put on that truck recently built "budget build"

Corb@CorbinShipping · Jan 18, 2012

madman1234509 said:
As for wondering if non vgt turbos will work.... Sure they will. People have been putting non vgt compounds in dmaxes and cummins for years. There is no reason they shouldnt work, its a matter of having proper housing sizes, esp on the high pressure charger for spool up. And a good gate set up and tuning.

As for price... An S 480 off their site is 1650. I'm sure if you look around online some dealers might sell them cheaper. Bullseye turbos arent that expensive compared to garrett and precision ball bearing turbos. Why do you think the guys from mpd call their compound setup they put on that truck recently built "budget build"

I was wondering that same thing. So, I looked around for a bit. All the dodge and chevy guys have been running non vgt turbos.... for a long time. The ford factory compound setup, i guess needed a vgt to crank up off the line, and the guys out west in the altitude needed it to get off the line even worse.... But, I dont go out that way but once or twice a year, so this is a perfect upgrade for me.

bigrpowr · Jan 18, 2012

Ccorbin said:
The ford factory compound setup, i guess needed a vgt to crank up off the line, and the guys out west in the altitude needed it to get off the line even worse.... But, I dont go out that way but once or twice a year, so this is a perfect upgrade for me.

theres a lot more to it than just altitude.

Wayne · Jan 18, 2012

bigrpowr said:
theres a lot more to it than just altitude.

Drivability and emissions being at the top of the list

Corb@CorbinShipping · Jan 18, 2012

bigrpowr said:
theres a lot more to it than just altitude.

like what? i m trying to figure this out as well. seeing as how ford is the only one making VGT turbo setups from the factory, and I havent found any NON for aftermarket vgt turbo setups for chevy and dodge.

Wayne said:
Drivability and emissions being at the top of the list

Chevy and Dodge cant operate out west? Or dont have drivability out west? Not being a dick, but the other two of the big three, dont seem to have too many problems selling trucks out there...

Dieselcraft · Jan 18, 2012

LOVE THESE BUILDS

WISH I WAS IN THE AFTERMARKET SIDE

GREAT BUILD TO IM READING EVERY POST

Jeff@Spartan · Jan 18, 2012

Both the Duramax and Cummins have similar turbos. Everyone calls them different things, but they all achieve the same thing. Duramax has had VGT's since the LLY and Cummins started in 2007.5 with the 6.7L.

Powerstroked162 · Jan 18, 2012

Ccorbin said:
like what? i m trying to figure this out as well. seeing as how ford is the only one making VGT turbo setups from the factory, and I havent found any NON for aftermarket vgt turbo setups for chevy and dodge.

Chevy and Dodge cant operate out west? Or dont have drivability out west? Not being a dick, but the other two of the big three, dont seem to have too many problems selling trucks out there...

Chevy, Ford and Dodge all come factory with VGT turbo's...

I know of about a dozen VGT twin kits for the Chevy and Dodge trucks.

Corb@CorbinShipping · Jan 18, 2012

SPARTAN said:
Both the Duramax and Cummins have similar turbos. Everyone calls them different things, but they all achieve the same thing. Duramax has had VGT's since the LLY and Cummins started in 2007.5 with the 6.7L.

hmmm, I see. Yeah, they dont advertise them as VGTs... or at least not that I have found... learn something new every day.

Powerstroked162 said:
Chevy, Ford and Dodge all come factory with VGT turbo's...

I know of about a dozen VGT twin kits for the Chevy and Dodge trucks.

Again, same thing. I dont hang around chevy or dodge diesel forums, or have a great deal of knowledge on them, but, I havent seen too many references to them being VGTs.... but, like I said, learn something new evey day...

Jeff@Spartan · Jan 18, 2012

I can't remember which way it goes, but one is a "VVT" and the other is a "VNT".

Powerstroked162 · Jan 18, 2012

I believe Dodge is VNT, Chevy is VVT.

Corb@CorbinShipping · Jan 18, 2012

Powerstroked162 said:
I believe Dodge is VNT, Chevy is VVT.

Ahhh, ok, i remember seeing VVT on the SCT... as an option for turbos....makes sense now...

Corb@CorbinShipping · Jan 18, 2012

So, again, why arent NON VGT turbos popular, or drivable out west?

Powerstroked162 · Jan 18, 2012

Ccorbin said:
So, again, why arent NON VGT turbos popular, or drivable out west?

Who said they aren't? VGT turbo's in compound setups are just badass on the street. Quick spool up without top end power loss.

Stop listening to Farlow and his east coast > west coast theories. You can tell him I said that LOL

Jeff@Spartan · Jan 18, 2012

Powerstroked162 said:
I believe Dodge is VNT, Chevy is VVT.

I believe you are right, sir.

Ccorbin said:
So, again, why arent NON VGT turbos popular, or drivable out west?

It's not that they aren't, VGT's just spool better. There are plenty of guys out west running non VGT turbo's. Both singles and compound setups.

Corb@CorbinShipping · Jan 18, 2012

Powerstroked162 said:
Who said they aren't? VGT turbo's in compound setups are just badass on the street. Quick spool up without top end power loss.

Stop listening to Farlow and his east coast > west coast theories. You can tell him I said that LOL

LOL right on! But, if the NON vgt rigs are making power like they are, but dont seem to have to spoolup of the VGT rigs, what is the answer? can it be adjusted with tuning?

as a side, I was in Nicks single 475 with 110s and dual fuelers, and it didnt have much slower spoolup than my tow power X rig did.... it smoked a LOT more, but, seemed completely docile from in the cab...

so, can a rig like that be adjusted to maintain the spoolup, and power, and clear some smoke up?

SPARTAN said:
I believe you are right, sir.

It's not that they aren't, VGT's just spool better. There are plenty of guys out west running non VGT turbo's. Both singles and compound setups.

Yeah, but I keep seeing the comparison, that east coast/NON VGT, west coast/VGT is what I am trying to understand...