6.7 crower rods bad investment

[FORD7.3]

Exactly what I've been trying to say alllllll along. ASSUMING Crower did have the block on hand.

We sent a short block twice too crower. First was a ford short block, second was the same block torn but torn down from inspection.

 

[Wackerjr]

WOW engine builder getting off easy....

The man that assembled that engine needs to not assemble another again.. he is a tard...

Part of assembling an engine is to make sure everything is proper, and CLEARANCED!! period...

If you put a high lift cam in it and it hit the pistons is that the cam builders fault? or the piston Manufacturer....NEITHER the engine builder for not measuring pop out... just like rotating the crankshaft over and verifying clearance to the rotating assembly....


Granted Crower needs to modify their design, so field clearancing does not need to be done.... But the engine builder is 99% at fault here fellas...

 

[Idiesel]

Is there a groove on the cap of the Crower rods?

 

[FORD7.3]

Is there a groove on the cap of the Crower rods?

There is not. The set we got back looked like they got hacked by a angle grinder, Those were sent out and re clearance by a local shop and they look much better, don't hit ect.

 

[Idiesel]

I went on there website last night and they must have revised them or they weren't the same rods pictured bc the rod caps had a groove when I looked

 

[FaSSt9602]

Were any of the blocks sent to Crower complete? Or disassembled? Unless I am missing something in the pictures, the only clearance issue I see is with the piston squirters, were these by chance left out of the blocks sent to them?

And, with contact like that, how the hell did you drive 3k+ miles without noticing it?

 

[FORD7.3]

We sent a short block twice too crower. First was a ford short block, second was the same block torn but torn down from inspection.

Were any of the blocks sent to Crower complete? Or disassembled? Unless I am missing something in the pictures, the only clearance issue I see is with the piston squirters, were these by chance left out of the blocks sent to them?

And, with contact like that, how the hell did you drive 3k+ miles without noticing it?

Yes, ours were sent both times.

 

[powerSmokin]

Just goes to show that Crower is another company that just wants to make money, not make a quality product and make sure the customer is happy, which in turn spreads good business around.

 

[Wayne]

From the sounds of things, the engine assembler is a complete screw-up. Yeah, Crower should have made the rods fit without the need for clearancing, but as mentioned before, the responsibility of fitment lies with the installer. If it doesn't fit, make it fit, or don't put it in, period. This deal is about as bad as a guy putting stock pistons in a bored out engine in my opinion. I'd be willing to bet the rotating assembly wasn't even balanced, which I would consider critical when going from a stock rod to one that weighs differently. Anyone who puts in custom rods without doing a rotating assembly balance is a disgrace to the profession, and a liability to whoever they work for. This is kind of like the house of diesel thread, where the guy installed studs using red loctite on the nuts. :lame:

 

[Powerstroked162]

Yes, ours were sent both times.

Were you even working at Alligator when this build was under way?

Just goes to show that Crower is another company that just wants to make money, not make a quality product and make sure the customer is happy, which in turn spreads good business around.

That is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've read in some time. Have you ever even owned a Crower anything??


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[FORD7.3]

Were you even working at Alligator when this build was under way?

What does that have to do with anything in this thread? Or are you just trying to side line another thread with your worthless posts about the topic at hand?

And being as the motor was received the first time after I started there, blown up again shortly after and is going back together right now, yes I have been there during 90% of this process.

 

[FORD7.3]

From the sounds of things, the engine assembler is a complete screw-up. Yeah, Crower should have made the rods fit without the need for clearancing, but as mentioned before, the responsibility of fitment lies with the installer. If it doesn't fit, make it fit, or don't put it in, period. This deal is about as bad as a guy putting stock pistons in a bored out engine in my opinion. I'd be willing to bet the rotating assembly wasn't even balanced, which I would consider critical when going from a stock rod to one that weighs differently. Anyone who puts in custom rods without doing a rotating assembly balance is a disgrace to the profession, and a liability to whoever they work for. This is kind of like the house of diesel thread, where the guy installed studs using red loctite on the nuts. :lame:

Agreed 110% Sucks that it has happened too two different companies with the same rods.

 

[Powerstroked162]

What does that have to do with anything in this thread? Or are you just trying to side line another thread with your worthless posts about the topic at hand?

And being as the motor was received the first time after I started there, blown up again shortly after and is going back together right now, yes I have been there during 90% of this process.

I'm just curious why someone with zero experience in this, who wasnt even around for the inital work with crower, is commenting for a company who, in my eyes and several others, is responsible for not following through thoroughly on r&d of these rods, and is now laying blame on Crower solely. When you take a block and crank to a company and tell them you need rods made. It's usually a little more involved than what you portray alligators part was in the ordeal. Im also curious how many sets of rods were sent to alligator originally with the block.

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[FORD7.3]

I'm just curious why someone with zero experience in this, who wasnt even around for the inital work with crower, is commenting for a company who, in my eyes and several others, is responsible for not following through thoroughly on r&d of these rods, and is now laying blame on Crower solely. When you take a block and crank to a company and tell them you need rods made. It's usually a little more involved than what you portray alligators part was in the ordeal. Im also curious how many sets of rods were sent to alligator originally with the block.

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What more could have been done? They sent an assembled short block, said good to go! Looked over it ( yes, we should have noticed the oil squirtters but was missed in the rush of the customer wanting thier truck back) assembled everything else, heads, pumps, accessories ect then broke the motor in and did some daily driving then sent it on the way. Ended up making it 100 miles away from the shop knocking away. The only set of rods we received from them were the ones installed in the short block.


Obviously you have a hard on for us, no matter what I post, show you, or tell you will matter because you have already made up your mind about us and there will be nothing to change that.

Have a good day,
Bryan

 

[Powerstroked162]

What more could have been done? They sent an assembled short block, said good to go! Looked over it ( yes, we should have noticed the oil squirtters but was missed in the rush of the customer wanting thier truck back) assembled everything else, heads, pumps, accessories ect then broke the motor in and did some daily driving then sent it on the way. Ended up making it 100 miles away from the shop knocking away. The only set of rods we received from them were the ones installed in the short block.


Obviously you have a hard on for us, no matter what I post, show you, or tell you will matter because you have already made up your mind about us and there will be nothing to change that.

Have a good day,
Bryan

What more could have been done?? Did nobody rotate the assembly after shipping to check for any possible debri that could have entered the cylinders during shipping? Surely, or i should say hopefully, a thorough inspection should have been done once the pallet was unwrapped and it was on the stand to check for contaminants before reassembly. I know of the few motors I've had shipped to me in short block form, there had been times where sand, dirt, even wood from the pallet had made their way into the engine and would have caused issues had it not been inspected and cleaned prior to reassembly. Regardless, Had that been done, I'm almost positive the oil squirter issue would have been noticed. Shoot, maybe it was done and whoever was doing it at your shop missed it completely. How that could have happened without being noticed im not sure but you certainly never know. Anyway, Getting new parts made and doing r&d comes with both goods and bads. Generally we hope for the best and expect the worst. When you have hard parts made such as rods, you most definitely should be up to speed on as much of the process as possible as well as double and triple checking what you get in return to ensure your customers happiness and the products performance/reliability. I guess my point is that you guys aren't an engine building shop. You aren't even a fab shop. It's bolt on and go stuff for the most part, which is absolutely fine and most definitely your niche. Unfortunately, no experience leads to situations like these. While I feel Crower should have noticed it themselves, I also feel that it falls on the shoulders of the shop who took them parts to have pieces made in return. Installed said parts and took next to no time to investigate or initiate their own R&D into the mater, prior to assembly of the engine. Crower rods aren't like AFE intakes. it's a little more complicated than that. I feel, and again it is solely my opinion, that Alligator was in over there head and dropped the ball. To see you blaming Crower to the fullest extent is why i ask the questions I do, because I do not agree with it

It's also interesting that crower sent you an assembled short block with no extra rods yet there were plenty of pictures taken at alligator and posted by alligator employees floating around of a mangled stock 6.7 rod, a stock 6.7 rod, and a crower replacement 6.7 rod all together side by side. Maybe i can do some digging and find the pictures. Or perhaps I am mistaken in what I saw. Still stands what I said earlier, one way or another.

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[FORD7.3]

I know the pictures were taken at our shop, I will ask tomorrow about that. Like I stated earlier, the blowing up of stock motor and sending of the short block was before I started working there. The assembled short block arrived the weekend I moved over to Idaho. You are correct though, it could have been inspected a little more thoroughly. Did it? obviously not. We trusted them more than we should have and it bit us in the ass. Are we 110% blaming them? Not quite. The reason I posted in this thread was to share our experience and issues and too mainly state the fact that crower had full knowledge of clearance issues from our motor when SPE contacted them. The pissing match is not needed or warranted.

As for a bolt and go shop, that is a good majority of our local business correct, there have been numerous high dollar, custom builds roll out of that shop. Not as many as say elite or mpd but there have been enough that I have no doubts in our technicians work when it comes too full motor builds. We have been doing alot of fabrication and gearing up for even more fabrication for in house stuff lately and expect to be full swing hopefully mid summer! If you come up for the dyno in September swing by Ill give you a full tour if you want.

 

[Wayne]

To, too, and two: I want to buy two of those things, but they're too expensive. Hopefully that makes more sense. I try not to be picky, but using the wrong word is driving me nuts. Thanks for the info though Bryan. It's interesting to see where different people like to point the finger of blame.

 

[FORD7.3]

To, too, and two: I want to buy two of those things, but they're too expensive. Hopefully that makes more sense. I try not to be picky, but using the wrong word is driving me nuts. Thanks for the info though Bryan. It's interesting to see where different people like to point the finger of blame.

I get those mixed up all the damn time. LOL

 

[FORD7.3]

To, too, and two: I want to buy two of those things, but they're too expensive. Hopefully that makes more sense. I try not to be picky, but using the wrong word is driving me nuts. Thanks for the info though Bryan. It's interesting to see where different people like to point the finger of blame.

As stated, we are not putting the blame 110% on Crower. A large majority of it does go on Crower but some of it falls on our end of things as well because yes, we should have noticed they were hitting when we received everything.

 

[Powerstroke Cowboy]

What i would like to know is why you would have to crank the engine over, to see if there is any derbies in the cylinder (s) when the heads are off already??

Messing with you steve. you left the door open there.