94 HPOP?

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I recently put some RDS stage ones, a 3'' dp, boost fooler, motor craft glow plugs, and gauges into my 94.5. Then I got my chip in with TW tunes (stock, high idle, economy, tow, street, extreme) and whenever I put the chip in any setting higher than the economy, I get ridiculous amounts of black smoke (which is down right embarrassing). It seems to run pretty well other than the smoke although I do seem to be getting some high egt's which may be due to the fact I haven't gotten an inter cooler on yet. What I am wondering is does this sound like maybe my stock 15* hpop isn't keeping up? I have gotten it to throw a CEL a couple times under hard acceleration in the street tune, which leads me to believe hpop, but I can't pull the code off because of the whole 94 OBD II no worky thing. I basically just wanted to get some other ideas/thoughts before I go out and by a modded 17 to fit my 94 front cover (probably the T-500?)

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Nick
 

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The 15* HPOP's were barely enough for the stock injectors.

It is time to upgrade your HPOP with at lease a 17* Super Duty unit for those injectors.
 

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The 15* HPOP's were barely enough for the stock injectors.

It is time to upgrade your HPOP with at lease a 17* Super Duty unit for those injectors.

Ok that's kinda what I've been thinking. I guess what I'm wondering is will this also help clear up the smoke issue? Or is this cause by something else, or just the stage ones smoke more? It seems to be getting worse, when I first got it all together it would hardly smoke in the economy tune. It would usually only do it a little in the higher gears with it lugging a bit. Now it seems like any gear when you get on it it smokes a ton, even in the economy tune, it's very annoying. Also would the hpop have any affect on my fuel economy? I kinda expected my mpg's to go up on the highway, and on my way down to school I figured my mileage and I got the same if not a little worse then before I put the sticks and tunes on it........

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It is smoking and your fuel economy is down because the 15* HPOP can't supply the oil demand the injectors are needing to run properly.
 

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Build a HPOP gauge and throw it on the rail.

From Swamps Website...

If you don't have access to a scantool, then go to your local hydraulic supply house, and have them make you up a mechanical gauge. You might spend $60 or so on high pressure hose, fittings, and a quality 0-3500psi liquid filled gauge....but having this hose available for future diagnostics might be more valuable than you think.

The hose which you will need will need to be about 40" long, rated for (minimum) 3000psi working pressure (12k psi burst rating!) with the gauge on one end, and a #6 female JIC swivel fitting crimped onto the other.

You will also need an individual fitting to screw into the head to go from the head to the hose.

This single fitting will be a 90degree fitting # 5 "male boss" (sometimes called # 5 o-ring) on one end of the 90, and a # 6 male JIC on the other end of the 90. Our local hydraulic shop would label such a fitting as 5MB-6MJ90

"JIC" is nothing special...it's just 'hydraulic talk' for a 37degree flare fitting...standard hydraulic stuff here...nothing rare by any stretch.

Looking at the top of (either) cylinder head, you'll see the factory stainless braided oil lines (one to each head) then you'll see a few bronze colored plugs... (Engine off, of course) Using a 5/8" wrench, remove any one of the bronze plugs, and install the 90deg fitting into the hole. (save the plug for reinstallation , after testing). and the O-rings are reusable, unless brittle, cracked, etc...

The single 90deg fitting will have a "jamb nut" on the O-ring side...screw the fitting into the head, "aiming" the 90 away from the turbo, intercooler pipes, etc...and then tighten the jamb nut, to "squish" the O-ring also locking the 90 from "spinning" around as you attach the swivel end of the hose to the 90. No sealants, loctite, or teflon tape are needed on "JIC" or O-ring fittings...and don't overtighten them...usually about 180degrees with a wrench past finger tight...check for leaks prior to getting too far from home...

run the hose, away from moving parts, electrically conductive junk (like batteries, glow plug relay, starter relays, etc) ..and just route the hose up through the cowl toward the windshield...for short term testing purposes, we just lay the gauge up under a windsheild wiper, and go drive...testing it just like I describes previously...chip in the highest setting, floor the truck, etc....

If you can maintain 2800+ psi of ICP, then any injector 250cc's and under will perform exceptionally well.

If you can maintain 2400psi then that's not bad, not great either.

2200psi is mediocre, and full performance from any injector will not be achieved with that HPOP, though power WILL go up with nearly any injector, driveability (excessive smoke) might be an issue.

If you cannot maintain 1900psi, you might seriously consider an aftermarket dual HPOP system, or our Gen3 HPOP. Nearly any larger injector is going to make the truck feel sluggish, and smoke excessively.
 

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My OBD port works fine too, with realtime data and everything.

I wonder if you have a boost leak? Do you know how much boost you have?
 

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My OBD port works fine too, with realtime data and everything.

I wonder if you have a boost leak? Do you know how much boost you have?

I can build 20 psi pretty easy in the economy tune, and I've seen as much as 30ish in the higher tunes. I'm usually watching the tach and pyro more than the boost gauge so I don't really know exact numbers.
 

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Your HPOP isn't keeping up period.
A 17* pump cannot be used as it will have drain back issues but you can take a 17* and your 15" and have them modded free by Stealth so you won't have the issues. The other option is a SRP1..

Cary
 

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Your HPOP isn't keeping up period.
A 17* pump cannot be used as it will have drain back issues but you can take a 17* and your 15" and have them modded free by Stealth so you won't have the issues. The other option is a SRP1..

Cary

This is what I figured from what we had talked about Cary, but I was gonna post up here and get some options. I didn't go ahead and buy the 17* I was looking at because I don't really want the down time in taking mine out and having it modded. I was considering just paying the core charge and ordering a T-500 from Terminator. I just haven't decided whether I want to spend the money right now. Did you ever talk to Cass about the AB made into single shots thing we were talking about. I never got a hold of Rosewood but the guy I bought them from says they are definitely single shots. Although I can't really be sure just from that, I would like to believe you can still trust people haha.

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I have 160cc stage 1s with my stock 15 degree pump still, It cant keep up at WOT but everday driving it does just fine. Im planning on doing a T500 real soon.
 

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An srp1 will not work on 94.5 and 95 trucks because of the drainback issue. Get yourself a t500 from terminator unless you plan on changing your front cover to a 96 or newer
 

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An srp1 will not work on 94.5 and 95 trucks because of the drainback issue. Get yourself a t500 from terminator unless you plan on changing your front cover to a 96 or newer

That's what I'm leaning towards, the T-500....... have heard some pretty good things. What do you guys that are running them think?
 

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You have to order the 94.5-95 SRP1 just as you do with the adrenaline and T500. I have an SRP1 in my 94.5 and it has the older timing cover on it. But my plans are prolly gonna take me to a SD motor.
 

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