Airbags - Lets discuss

LovinPSDs · Aug 14, 2013

Comments on a parallel vs triangulated 4 link?

I imagine triangulated is for the offroad crowd and probably not for a DD setup?

footlong70 · Aug 14, 2013

Tree Trimmer said:
footlong, i dont even know where to begin.

yes, if you pressurize a bag with one end free, it will blow itself apart.

daystars, imo, are not for a 4 link with bags setup. that being the case, you will have daystars in a normal ride-rite set-up for example, as a replacement for the lower mount.

now, that being said, if you need 50 psi in your bags for whatever reason, it stands to reason that your loaded with something.

that being said, if your loaded, why would you come off the ground?? why would you be in a position that the bags would over stretch??

having never had a bag set up on my pick up, i'm making a few assumptions in those statements. though having bags in the semi, and hooked up with a gross of 80k, and my bags have 50 psi, is the knowledge i base those statements from.

that is all, carry on.

Yes I understand that. What I'm getting at is any bag regardless of setup ride-rites or a air ride setup can not be pressurized and nothing to hold the bag together. So yes your ride rites are will be damaged too if air is not drained prior. My concern is so many people drive around with 30+ PSI unloaded just out of convenience or laziness. Not everyone knows you have to drain a bag before removing all the resistance.
But yes my main point was directed toward full air ride setups, not ride rites.

Zmann · Aug 15, 2013

just to get it out there

I can't comment on a 4 link using a non retained bag like the Daystar system it seems iffy ?

for Me I used to just not bolt the bottom of the bag because I was always working on the trucks suspension and twice I lifted the frame and forgot to unbolt the bags so they lifted they were in turn trying to lift the axle

neither time did they explode even with full psi but it's not ideal

I only went to the Daystar after I watched the video and thought those would be nice to guarantee the bag lands properly when off road

I also agree offroading is typically done with the minimum 5 psi

simonton6.4 · Aug 15, 2013

Zmann said:
just to get it out there

I can't comment on a 4 link using a non retained bag like the Daystar system it seems iffy ?

for Me I used to just not bolt the bottom of the bag because I was always working on the trucks suspension and twice I lifted the frame and forgot to unbolt the bags so they lifted they were in turn trying to lift the axle

neither time did they explode even with full psi but it's not ideal

I only went to the Daystar after I watched the video and thought those would be nice to guarantee the bag lands properly when off road

I also agree offroading is typically done with the minimum 5 psi

So you have the daystars? Or am I miss reading your post

simonton6.4 · Aug 15, 2013

LovinPSDs said:
Comments on a parallel vs triangulated 4 link?

I imagine triangulated is for the offroad crowd and probably not for a DD setup?

Triangulated is going to be stronger and no need for a location bar.

Parallel your going to get more articulation (up and down) out of it but you have to have a locating bar so leads to rear steer and less flex for lack of better words.

Both have there advantages and disadvantages just depends on what your end goal is if your looking for more flex go triangulated but you'll have to deal with figment issues and binding

Zmann · Aug 19, 2013

simonton6.4 said:
So you have the daystars? Or am I miss reading your post

I do
on a 8 inch leaf sprung rear with traction bars
not a bagged 4 link dammit LOL

simonton6.4 · Aug 20, 2013

Zmann said:
I do
on a 8 inch leaf sprung rear with traction bars
not a bagged 4 link dammit LOL

You have any bad things to say about them or pretty happy with them?

neverkickn · Aug 20, 2013

simonton6.4 said:
You have any bad things to say about them or pretty happy with them?

^^^This, bars and bags are next on the list for me and I am interested in the daystar cup.

sixmassive · Aug 21, 2013

I have the FireStone bags and the Airlift onboard Air with the gauge mounted under the flip cup-holders. No issues after 4 years.
My only gripe is the way they sit on the axle. they have an arch that depends on the weight/pressure to keep them on the axle. I've caught them hung up on the blocks a few times.

Redman920-06 350 · Aug 21, 2013

sixmassive said:
I have the FireStone bags and the Airlift onboard Air with the gauge mounted under the flip cup-holders. No issues after 4 years.
My only gripe is the way they sit on the axle. they have an arch that depends on the weight/pressure to keep them on the axle. I've caught them hung up on the blocks a few times.

?? Im pretty sure there's supposed to be bolts in top and bottom, or a clip on the bottom...are you sure these were installed correctly? (Im not saying you messed up but Im concerned their not on properly)

sixmassive · Aug 21, 2013

Im sure there was a bracket and the Douche nozzle who swapped my traction bars to the PMFs lost them.

Redman920-06 350 · Aug 21, 2013

thats not even CLOSE to right! Dear lord... I suggest making a bracket off of your spacer block (weld or bolt) to keep that sucker in place, Its putting improper load on your axle tube..NOT GOOD MAN.

08forddr · Aug 21, 2013

This is my set-up inside frame rail firestone with on board compressor. Pmf stage 2 traction bars.

sixmassive · Aug 21, 2013

HA! Awesome. I had a feeling it got ****ed up somewhere. Never payed attention to it until last month. My axle is pretty mangled as it is. Had a set of fabtechs welded to the axle rip off once before.
Meh, i'll just order a new Bracket kit or something. I have that ghetto squat for a bit next time i really tow

TXGLASSMAN · Aug 21, 2013

got the daystar buckets for mine yesterday, ill get them installed this weekend finally

java · Aug 21, 2013

How exactly do they install? Send me some pics of it Randall.

neverkickn · Aug 21, 2013

java said:
How exactly do they install? Send me some pics of it Randall.

Better yet, post em up here.

Zmann · Aug 21, 2013

i never liked the inboard bag mounting systems

plausible hype · Aug 21, 2013

reyn7.3 said:
Check this stuff out. Might get some ideas if anything

http://www.airbagit.com/category-s/2162.htm

http://www.airbagit.com/1999-2004-FORD-F-350-Towing-Kits-p/towing-f350-5.htm

NO. JUST NO.

I make a living selling suspension and more specifically, air suspension. Stay far the **** away from airbagit products. They sell junk. If you want a four link setup for a lifted truck, Kelderman is the way to go most times. There are other options out there as well.

Zmann · Aug 22, 2013

java said:
How exactly do they install? Send me some pics of it Randall.

you unbolt the lower portion of the bag and let it hang then u bolt the cradle into the hole the bag used to be in

now the bags are sometimes not perfectly centered to the mounting hole
and it's no big deal normally but when you have the bag unbolted it's best to center the daystar cradle even if you need to adjust the mounting hole in the lower bracket