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Well after waiting a long time for someone else to do it, I decided to test some of Borgs efr chargers. I decided to go all out and get the 9180 (67.7mm inducer) with a t4 non gated 1.05 turbine housing. It's there largest charger available for the efr series. For those of you that don't already know Borg decided to use what they call gamma ti for the turbine wheel which is half the weight of inconel along with a different design all together. It's water cooled and ceramic ball bearing as well. I somehow was able to get ahold of one so I couldn't say no. Here is the 9180 which flows around 94lb/min lol.
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And I know the welds look like crap in these pics but my tig torch was in bad shape. I ended up purging the piping and making a pass over all the welds afterwards but this is all I have for pics. By the end, my torch was covered in tape and zip ties trying to get by. It didn't make it the whole way. My new machine and I get along much better.
So as you can see individual up pipes, and I actually just machined a cap for the gate cause I didn't feel like playing with it at the time lol. I had no idea how the turbo was going to work out with all the talk about them coming apart when the first few batches came out. I ended up welding it up the night before I had to drive to Idaho and before I knew it, I looked outside and saw daylight. I finished at 830 am the day I was supposed to leave. Fired it up, drove to my house and passéd out. Woke up, and just headed out hahaha. Turbo spools very quick for what it is. It's still too large for towing and has a slight dead spot if you fall down in the rpm range but for me to not complain about it, it's not bad at all. Plus i have the larger ar housing. I hated my 64/71 with diverter. This spools almost as fast but the top end is for lack of a better word, stupid. I averaged around 90mph the whole way to Idaho.
I'm looking to pull it off ASAP and try it on a dmax before I get arrested for driving like an idiot.
It feels like compounds up top. It never runs out of air. Just works harder and harder.
I know I haven't explained much but it's late and I'm passing out. Reply with a question if you have any. Thanks
 

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Well after waiting a long time for someone else to do it, I decided to test some of Borgs efr chargers. I decided to go all out and get the 9180 (67.7mm inducer) with a t4 non gated 1.05 turbine housing. It's there largest charger available for the efr series. For those of you that don't already know Borg decided to use what they call gamma ti for the turbine wheel which is half the weight of inconel along with a different design all together. It's water cooled and ceramic ball bearing as well. I somehow was able to get ahold of one so I couldn't say no. Here is the 9180 which flows around 94lb/min lol.
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And I know the welds look like crap in these pics but my tig torch was in bad shape. I ended up purging the piping and making a pass over all the welds afterwards but this is all I have for pics. By the end, my torch was covered in tape and zip ties trying to get by. It didn't make it the whole way. My new machine and I get along much better.
So as you can see individual up pipes, and I actually just machined a cap for the gate cause I didn't feel like playing with it at the time lol. I had no idea how the turbo was going to work out with all the talk about them coming apart when the first few batches came out. I ended up welding it up the night before I had to drive to Idaho and before I knew it, I looked outside and saw daylight. I finished at 830 am the day I was supposed to leave. Fired it up, drove to my house and passéd out. Woke up, and just headed out hahaha. Turbo spools very quick for what it is. It's still too large for towing and has a slight dead spot if you fall down in the rpm range but for me to not complain about it, it's not bad at all. Plus i have the larger ar housing. I hated my 64/71 with diverter. This spools almost as fast but the top end is for lack of a better word, stupid. I averaged around 90mph the whole way to Idaho.
I'm looking to pull it off ASAP and try it on a dmax before I get arrested for driving like an idiot.
It feels like compounds up top. It never runs out of air. Just works harder and harder.
I know I haven't explained much but it's late and I'm passing out. Reply with a question if you have any. Thanks



when your done with it, send it up to me!!! ill throw it on my standard cab.

whats the turbine wheel measure?

i have been wanting try a 467.7 fmw for some time now. i just dont have the time...
 

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when your done with it, send it up to me!!! ill throw it on my standard cab.

whats the turbine wheel measure?

i have been wanting try a 467.7 fmw for some time now. i just dont have the time...
It's 80/76 turbine but the wheel is actually longer. Drive pressure stays low. I just let a buddy borrow my primary for a sled pull this weekend so I have nothing here to mock up my compounds with. Lets see if he can spool a gtx4508r hahaha. His charger let go yesterday. I'll send it to you if you wanna try it. It impressed me. I did have Matt change up the shift patterns because I had it in overdrive at 45mph cause I get tired of hearing the truck. He raised all of them and did an overdrive lockout off the tow/haul button. Truck is an absolute beast. If I wasn't planning on towing the drag truck I would leave it how it is.
I would like to see what it does on another truck because this truck has some goofy fueling issues sometimes and a 64/71/70 with diverter was too laggy for my dd. this starts making boost about the same as the 64 but once you start getting fuel to it, it gets happy. I haven't felt the power fall off yet. I can put myself back in my seat at 90mph and it keeps pulling. It just has a small dead spot if you hit od too early. I feel that it's too big for a 6.0 but some guys like driving around bellowing smoke lol.
I've heard good things about the 8374efr. I have one of those sitting here waiting for my motor on my sti to get back from being sleeved. I might go grab it and bolt it on for a few days. The 9180 is going to go to someone to try. There are two others that wanna try it too. I'm heading east to grab a dmax motor from a buddy tomorrow to make a pedestal and up pipes so we can see what it does with a little more displacement. It should be stupid.
The only downside is that the turbine wheel will start to come apart at 1760 degrees. I've hit 1700 before it lit climbing a steep grade and I watched the temps drop to 1050 and level off. Not wot just steady 70mph in the Sierra Nevada mountains.



Cool deal! Plan on taking it to the track before you change it out? Also, what injectors are in it?

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I won't take this truck to the track anymore. I gotta be good to her now lol. I might dyno but I don't care that much haha. I would say its around 630 cause it would easily keep up with a 62 over 75 . I made 632 on that setup.

Injectors are elite 205s with some 100% 6 hole nozzles I had here.
 
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If you need someone else to test it, Ill throw it on for a week and see how the pig does with 225's.
 

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Right in the middle of getting mine finished up with the 9180. Should be pretty sweet. I'm doing a gated stainless turbine housing from HTT.

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Wonder how the 8374 would do on big fuel? Seems to have a steep step up from inducer to exducer. I think it's 62.7 to 83? From what you say, the 9180 didn't do so bad all things considered.
 

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the 8374 seems like it would be a good match for some 205s. matt can you PM me a price on an 8374

yea no problem. i actually have one at home for my car if you want me to try it before you spend the $$$. i planned on putting it on when i get home from idaho. im helping on a drag car here until sunday or so. then home to build a 47re for a buddy lol then maybe i can swap it in. the 9180 and the 8374 are identicle in physical size so everything swaps over.
the 9180 needs more fuel for sure. it may be on a 6.4 soon if all goes well. im sure he will let us know how it runs.
 

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Do I even want to know what one of these costs? lol

A lot. Just makes me wonder if its worth the coin over say an fmw467. Both have similar flow charts. These efrs are sweet though with some of their options
 

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My turbonetics cost a pretty penny. It's a 64/65 .83 divided t4 I can only get max boost of 35psi it's almost a 1-1 ratio it's been awhile since I data loged it.

Iv been throwing around the idea of doing a FMW since I talked to lance at Enis

On these efi chargers are you using the water cooled part? Or just blocking it off?
 

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Yes i run coolant. no reason not to. its easy as a return line to the degas bottle runs right past it anyway.
i had an 8374 sent to the shop im at and ill have it on by the early evening. ill keep you updated. i have a vid loading now of the 9180. found a oil pressure gauge at napa that works as a mech boost gauge. map sensor is reading 30psi when the mech is at 45-50. i may run by and dyno both tomorrow if i find time. i have 3 efr8374s left haha. lets see how it spools tomorrow shall we.
 

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Are you going to need to use a new map sensor?? I often wondered fi you would have to "tweek" that to run significantly higher boost levels.
 

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