How not to ship injectors

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Craig@MFI

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What about how you packed and shipped the injectors? Is that your standard way to pack injectors?

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No that is not the normal way they normally go in 4×4×7 boxes wrapped in paper tightly but we were out of those boxes and I was out of town and the guys did not pack them as good as possible
 

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What about how you packed and shipped the injectors? Is that your standard way to pack injectors?

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Either way someone could have opened the box up and look to see if they were broking and sent him parts during the week and he wouldn't have no problems
 

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We are a trusted vendor on here and one of the longest ones on this page we are not out to screw someone but when there is no phone communication back and forth to let is know a issue seeing as we are open on Saturdays he could have called or emailed but no he had to get some attention by posting it on here..we can't help what our previous employee did and I am trying to fix everything I possibly can but when someone doesn't want to cooperate it makes the job a little hard not once did he ever call asking if there could possibly be a issue with his injectors he took it apun himself to dump $1000s of dollars in his replacing parts that weren't the issue

Did those injectors come from your shop? Keeping in contact doesn't really matter if you ship chit that looks like that. Sounds to me like you're trying to pass the buck. Regardless of whether he contacted you by phone 10 times a day, the injectors were packed horribly and broke. That's pretty weak for a trusted vendor.
 

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Did those injectors come from your shop? Keeping in contact doesn't really matter if you ship chit that looks like that. Sounds to me like you're trying to pass the buck. Regardless of whether he contacted you by phone 10 times a day, the injectors were packed horribly and broke. That's pretty weak for a trusted vendor.
Okay and not really trying to pass the buck considering we are offering to next day air new soleniods out if we said no not our problem than maybe but we offered
 

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What about how you packed and shipped the injectors? Is that your standard way to pack injectors?

Rusty

I doubt that it is...but, there needs to be some corrective action at the vendor so this doesnt happen again.


I had the popcorn out a couple of days ago, knowing that this was going to turn into another train wreck that everyone looks at. Problem solving relationships are not developed with airing transaction dirty laundry on the internet. This is an increasing behavior that I just dont get. Unfortunately, it happens more frequently when doing forum related internet business, but mistakes still happen. All parties need to work together the same way over the internet as you would in person.

MFI appears to have happy customers, and from what I've seen, they are a supportive business to this hobby. If one felt strongly enough to work with them in the first place, why wouldnt you take responsibility for the decision and see the issues through to the end??
 

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OP I feel your frustration. The one time I dealt with mpd was a disaster. Nothing was ever resolved not even a sorry. I lost out on alot of money but they didnt seem to mind. Doesn't sound like a trusted company does it??
And why should the op be silenced because of someone else's fuxk up? If they didn't want any negative publicity they shouldn't have put it out there.
 

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First off, there are some awesome people on this forum. I logged in today to 4 new PM’s. Two people offered up either core injectors, or injector solenoids to help me get back on the road. Another individual, who I purchased the HB Jr. from, offered to buy the pump back from me so I could free up some cash.

For anyone reading this thread and thinking I am trying to stain MPD/MFI’s name, that isn’t the case. I’ve given plenty of opportunities for this issue to be resolved amicably for both sides.

Here is a timeline of events:
5/6/14 – Injector cores arrive at MFI.
5/8/14 – Credit card payment for injectors.
5/9/14 – Injectors ship.
5/13/14 – Injectors arrive.
5/17/14 – Injectors are installed.
5/20/14 – Initial contact is made with MFI (Greg) regarding a potential issue. At this point I am confident that air in the HPO system is not the issue. He advises that I do a CCT/PERDEL test (which I’ve already done).
5/30/14 – Injectors arrive at MFI to be gone through again. Greg informs me that they all perform flawlessly on the bench, and recommends I begin troubleshooting other components. Given MPD’s reputation for quality, I take their word for it and begin working my way through other components.
6/9/14 – Additional sets of injectors cores arrive at MFI. Credit is supposed to be issued to my Visa card.
6/10/14 – My injectors are delivered and re-installed. I begin the process of replacing parts in an effort to rectify the issues. I do not have exact dates for all of the parts I purchased, but here is a general summary.
-IDM.
-ICP/IPR
-UVCH/Gaskets/Pigtails
-HPOP (2x, once with a used 17* pump and again with HB Jr.)
7/15/14 – I receive a credit card notice that my account is overdrawn. Upon further investigation I realize my credit for additional injector cores was never issued. I attempt to contact Greg, but discover he is no longer working at MFI. I then contact Bobby, with no reply.
7/25/14 – I contact Craig regarding my core credit. He tells me to call the shop, which I do, and finally receive my 40-day overdue core credit. No apology for holding my money. The person on the phone actually seemed rather rude.
8/07/14 – After exhausting all other possible causes, I contact Craig regarding the perpetual injector issues. He replies that I can send them back in ‘and I will be taken care of’. I ask when I should send them, and when is the soonest they will be looked at. No reply.
8/13/14 – I again contact Craig in an attempt to get my injectors looked at. No reply.
8/20/14 – For the third time, I attempt to contact Craig regarding my injectors. No reply.
8/31/14 – I contact Craig for a fourth time, and finally receive a reply. He informs me he will personally go through my injectors as soon as they are delivered.
9/2/14 – Injectors are sent back to MFI for the second time (both paid for by me). Box has ‘ATTN CRAIG’ and ‘INJECTORS-UREGENT’ written on it.
9/6/14 – Injectors are delivered at MFI.
9/8/14 – Contact Craig to confirm injectors arrived, and ask for an ETA on when they will be back in my hands. No reply.
9/10/14 – Again contact Craig to ask if he has looked at my injectors, and give him a heads up that I need them back ASAP.
9/11/14 – Again, no reply from Craig. I decide to be the squeaky wheel and create a thread in their vendor section, as well send another PM.
9/11/14 – I notice that Craig has made numerous posts in their ‘Triple Turbo’ build thread, but has still not replied to my PM’s or the thread I created. I decide to escalate things in order to hopefully get some attention.
9/12/14 – I finally receive a rude reply from Craig, giving excuses for why my injectors had not been touched and that he “isn’t always available to reply to PM’s” (but he can post in other threads?)
9/12/14 – I tell Craig not to bother with my injectors. That I would like a refund and a set of cores, and we can put this behind us. He tells me a ‘refund is not an option’ and that my injectors will be built Monday and overnighted. I am also informed that I am 'lucky' they are honoring the injector warranty, given i removed solenoids to confirm improper armature clearance before sending them back.
9/16/14 – Injectors arrive back to me.
9/19/14 – I return home from a business trip, find damaged injectors, and create this thread. The rest is already open to the public, so no need to expound further.

Draw your own conclusions. Just keep in mind that I did not bring my issues to the forum until after 4+ months. Dragging a company through the mud would have been immediately running to the forum and complaining 'my truck won't run'. Instead, I did my best to remain patient and troubleshoot the issues logically.

I was also not asking for a groundbreaking one-off build here that would require patience. A set of 160/100 injectors are nothing new, and any number of vendors on this forum are capable of fulfilling that request.

If a couple of cracked injector solenoids were the only issue I had, there is no way this would have escalated to where we are today. However, every aspect of this ordeal has reflected shoddy workmanship and business practices on behalf of MPD/MFI. Sure, some of them are related to an individual who is no longer working for the company, but my response to that is: chose your employees more carefully. The customer should never be responsible for bearing the burden of your employee’s incompetence. I’m not sure if the improper packaging was just a final “F*ck you” after stirring things up in their vendor section, or if that is actually the way they conduct business, but in either case it perfectly summarizes the issue I’ve had. No pride in the product they offer.

Not once have I received an apology for anything on MPD/MFI’s end.
No ‘sorry our employee sold you a set of defective injectors’.
No 'Your injectors are clearly FUBAR, we'll send you a set of good ones free of charge, just return the defective ones'.
No ‘sorry we dropped the ball on issuing your core credit’.
No ‘sorry we took so long to have your injectors re-rebuilt and shipped back to you’.
No ‘sorry we have been difficult to get ahold of’.
Nothing.

I really wish I had been able to create a thread praising MPD/MFI for building an awesome set of injectors, or for their impressive customer service, but sadly that isn't the case.

To Craig, Bobby and anyone else from MPD/MFI, here is my piece of advice. Just because you are a 'trusted' vendor of this forum now doesn't mean anything if you allow compromises in your quality and integrity. Stealth, Dozer's, Go-Go and Black Widow were all trusted vendors on the forums at one point. Where are they now?
 

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Craig, do not bother sending me injector solenoids.
I have already purchased another set of AA injectors locally.
 

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damn man, are these the ones you bought off me? Sorry to hear about the headache you have been run through.
 

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Either way someone could have opened the box up and look to see if they were broking and sent him parts during the week and he wouldn't have no problems

So it's his fault he didn't get parts to repair the injectors that were broken because your shop didn't pack them correctly? You started to take responsibility for this, and dropped the ball.......

Rusty
 

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Send them in and we will send you a set of cores and your money to be done with it
 
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My truck is down right now because of a bad trans. I also need some injectors, my 250\200's are getting tired with 120,000 on them.

Guess who is not on my list to get injectors from.
 

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New o rings...They were supposed to be sent and flow checked and sent back... I'm gonna leave the vendor out of it. It was kinda a weird deal they were a customers who had a few hooks on them and they were selling them for him but like I said they were suppose to be flow checked.. but anyways I bought them via PayPal through one of there employees because he said it was easier for him to keep records strait that way.. I'm not really b itching I got 300/200 without a core charge for cheap just wishing they would of packed it better

This is where your issue started.....The injectors were never purchased through the company, you bought them from a private party and then asked us to fix a set of injectors that were not ours....Yes, was he an employee of this company..... Yes, did he sell them as MFI injectors.....But No we did not have to warranty them. We could have simply told you to contact GREG FURTAK (PIZZAPIG) and settle your issue with him since that's who you bought the injectors from. Before you sent them back you were claiming they were our injectors, at that time you were in possession of stolen product and we did not have any right to honor any warranty....We were trying to make it "right" with all of our customers since we were blind to the LOW LIFE that you bought them from.......I have spoke to you once, and in your timeline of events you never once mentioned you called the shop. If the reason was because you sleep during the day and cannot call us....FOR EVERYONE, call this # 443-540-1653 or email me at [email protected]. That is my work cell phone number & emial, you can call/email it at any hour, if I dont answer leave a message and ill return it ASAP. (I never sleep)

Back to the OP. You now have our injectors with our warranty, So any issues IE... a broken connector contact us either by phone or email and we will make it right.
 

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New o rings...They were supposed to be sent and flow checked and sent back... I'm gonna leave the vendor out of it. It was kinda a weird deal they were a customers who had a few hooks on them and they were selling them for him but like I said they were suppose to be flow checked.. but anyways I bought them via PayPal through one of there employees because he said it was easier for him to keep records strait that way.. I'm not really b itching I got 300/200 without a core charge for cheap just wishing they would of packed it better

This is where your issue started.....The injectors were never purchased through the company, you bought them from a private party and then asked us to fix a set of injectors that were not ours....Yes, was he an employee of this company..... Yes, did he sell them as MFI injectors.....But No we did not have to warranty them. We could have simply told you to contact GREG FURTAK (PIZZAPIG) and settle your issue with him since that's who you bought the injectors from. Before you sent them back you were claiming they were our injectors, at that time you were in possession of stolen product and we did not have any right to honor any warranty....We were trying to make it "right" with all of our customers since we were blind to the LOW LIFE that you bought them from.......I have spoke to you once, and in your timeline of events you never once mentioned you called the shop. If the reason was because you sleep during the day and cannot call us....FOR EVERYONE, call this # 443-540-1653 or email me at [email protected]. That is my work cell phone number & email, you can call/email it at any hour, if I dont answer leave a message and ill return it ASAP. (I never sleep)

Back to the OP. You now have our injectors with our warranty, So any issues IE... a broken connector contact us either by phone or email and we will make it right.
 

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OP - I totally get your frustration about these injectors. Shipping like that is sad and frankly disappointing as anyone that would box them like that should not be shipping anything. But after reading all of this I don't think all of your frustration is warranted towards MPD/MFI. Unfortunately you were one of the many people dupped by an ex-employee and sold a product that was not really theirs. Since it was their employee that screwed up - they are trying to make the best of it and I am sure that their attitude that you perceive is less about you as a customer, but more of their frustration over the ordeal they are going through to recover from their internal issues.

You didn't really have MFI injectors until you received them back with the broken solenoids. That is my 2 cents.

Yes it appears there are communication issues as well - not a good thing either, but I don't feel you can blame too much on them about the injectors other than the lack of communication over the last month or so and the broken solenoids. Both of those are legit issues with you and this vendor.
 

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OP - I totally get your frustration about these injectors. Shipping like that is sad and frankly disappointing as anyone that would box them like that should not be shipping anything. But after reading all of this I don't think all of your frustration is warranted towards MPD/MFI. Unfortunately you were one of the many people dupped by an ex-employee and sold a product that was not really theirs. Since it was their employee that screwed up - they are trying to make the best of it and I am sure that their attitude that you perceive is less about you as a customer, but more of their frustration over the ordeal they are going through to recover from their internal issues.

You didn't really have MFI injectors until you received them back with the broken solenoids. That is my 2 cents.

Yes it appears there are communication issues as well - not a good thing either, but I don't feel you can blame too much on them about the injectors other than the lack of communication over the last month or so and the broken solenoids. Both of those are legit issues with you and this vendor.


Was the former employee currently employed at mpd when he bought the injectors? If so, how did he not purchase the injectors from mpd?
 
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