superchargers???

[rossypho]

has anyone been playing around with the idea of supercharging with a turbo on here?

i am very into doing this but my question is how is the intake manifold modifed to take a supercharger and a turbo. the supercharger cant suck in the turbo exhaust to make a closed system. so that means 2 airfilters, but were does the supercharger push all that air. there only 1 small intake elbow. so how are these guys modifying the intake? i couldnt even figure it out on the cummins set up. i woudl love to add like a 4.0 whipple and a nice big turbo (like 76/80mm single) and some 200injectors

 

[Cutting-Edge Diesel]

been done before with a procharger... I had one loved the set up for the street spooled crazy fast has a D-1SC procharger feeding a precision 70mm turbo

 

[Powerstroked162]

imelmo's ProCharged 6.0 built by Empire Diesel. Truck ran an F1 head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BTAkguC7pc&feature=fvwrel

 

[Jomax]

imelmo's ProCharged 6.0 built by Empire Diesel. Truck ran an F1 head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BTAkguC7pc&feature=fvwrel

And how long did it hold up?


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[rossypho]

but root supers are a bit different compaired to screw (or what ever there call it) supers prochargers are more top end while i am looking to run a whipple 4.0 probably hoping itll push 15ish psi at aroudn 2000rpm and then have it bypass to a sized turbo that will be spooling by that time keeping with no turbo lag and great proformance through the powerband. but those truck didnt say how the run the intake. how do you feed the supercharger and the turbo at the same time. i looked at the first one he only ran a procharger if that the one i remember so he just used the stock elbow idea. but i want to use a whipple 4.0 form the camero with the front feed intake mount the supercharger in the middle so it doesnt make my engine bay look stupid and run posisble twins in the back right and left corners. i was thinking about trying to make a set up somethign like this

supercharger with a ls style sheetbody intake (all air collects into a area and fed into intake feet, supercharger is pretty much ontop of the intake.) the back is were the turbos will feed into the custome intake. maybe if i use like a butterfly valve so when the supercharger is pushign air the air cant escape down into the turbos but when the turbo boost more then the supercharger it will push the valve open and feed more air, granted woudl also have to do the same with the supercharger in order to keep the air in the area and not back into the supercharger... any ideas or thoughts?

 

[Matt]

Google crazy Carl's turbos. He has done a few supercharger/turbocharger set ups on Dodges.

 

[FaSSt9602]

You realize that the picture you posted works just like a compound turbo set-up right? The only difference is the SC is taking the place of a low pressure charger. The way this is plumbed is the SC is blowing into a plenum that is then feeding into the twin elbow feeding the compressors of the two turbos, which then feeds into the engine intake. They are not both blowing into the same intake plenum space, the turbos are "compounding" the boost pressure of the SC.

That is why you only need one intake. I think you are putting way too much thought into this...it really is a pretty simple concept, although if you really want to get something like what you show to work, that will take a TON of work and might not be worth the effort. The bad ass factor would sure be there though!

BTW, it is Camaro... :morons:

 

[Cutting-Edge Diesel]

I know this isnt what your wanting but this is how mine was set up

to be honest this set up spooled crazy fast. My fav memory with it was pulling out on a street and getting on it hard and the turbo just lights and kicked the back end out and smoked the tire with not diesel smoke!!! with 225s. Loved that.

 

[faster6.0]

id do a oil filter reloation, a nice 71 series blower in the valley atop a custom intake manifold, and a single s480 feeding it.

 

[Extended Power]

Heard a rumor that super chargers....with rotors, don't like to be fed more then 15 psi...cuz the rotors start to flex...and bad chit happens after that.

Crazy Carl has lots of different bypasses, but he likes to have the blower feed the turbo, then when the turbo lights, it's on it's own, as the supercharger is then bypassed.

 

[jdc753]

Google crazy Carl's turbos. He has done a few supercharger/turbocharger set ups on Dodges.

Yup, Carl has done some pretty cool setups. He seemed to really like the super/turbo setup compared to the triples he was running before.

 

[rossypho]

You realize that the picture you posted works just like a compound turbo set-up right? The only difference is the SC is taking the place of a low pressure charger. The way this is plumbed is the SC is blowing into a plenum that is then feeding into the twin elbow feeding the compressors of the two turbos, which then feeds into the engine intake. They are not both blowing into the same intake plenum space, the turbos are "compounding" the boost pressure of the SC.

That is why you only need one intake. I think you are putting way too much thought into this...it really is a pretty simple concept, although if you really want to get something like what you show to work, that will take a TON of work and might not be worth the effort. The bad ass factor would sure be there though!

BTW, it is Camaro... :morons:

that pic was a duramax

yes i want to run what carl has, i saw a cummins he was building but i never got an emial back form him. no roots for me.
yes i do relize the supercharger is like a compund setup thats why i want a normal supercharger not a roots
a normal spools low end while root do more med to high power rang just like a supercharger. i reall want like a supercharger making good idle boost and 15psi is the operating rang that wont blow a seal or blow superchargers up and is a really good rang for any supercharger. i want the supercharger to feed the turbo so i can have 2. super for low end (from idel) a mid sized one to boost as 2000rpm or so and will bypass the supercharger (bigger super charger will require less hp to run at bypass thats why a whipple 4.0 and the 4.0 has a front fed intake) and the 2nd turbo to boost idk maybe 2800-3000 for when i am at the strip. i like to romp on the throtal but never go psat 3000rpm unless i am racing.

so you think just make 2 different spaces (one for the super and one for the turbos) that feeds into the stock intake manifodl with a twin elbow is the way to go? ots deffently simple. ill have to look into this thanks fasst for pointing that out

 

[Cutting-Edge Diesel]

why not just use the empire set up with a procharger? I had 5psi at idle. spooled a 70mm turbo instantly

 

[strokin6L]

i really like empire setup that you were running matt! Someday i hope to have that setup on my truck.

 

[FaSSt9602]

What you are asking is for the SC to do the work under 2k rpms, get bypassed above that, then a turbocharger to take over between 2k-3k rpms, bypassed above that, then a second turbocharger to take over above that???

Kind of hard to read between what you are saying, but if I am right, I think you are not understanding the concept of compounding with either two (or 3) turbo chargers, or a SC and a turbo. You are way over thinking this! :thumbup: You don't need to physically bypass any component just because one does better at X rpm than the other. That is the beauty of compounding!

Like Matt said, run a Procharger with a good sized turbocharger like a 70. The Procharger is in essence your low pressure unit that feeds into the 70 which will basically be one hell of a big high pressure unit! No need to bypass anything.

If you absolutely need to have a SC and two turbos for the cool factor, run two identical smaller turbochargers as the high pressure unit fed by whatever SC you decide to run. If you haven't looked under the hood, space is a premium and finding room for all that would be pretty impressive which is why I say you would be more than happy with the procharger kit...

that pic was a duramax

yes i want to run what carl has, i saw a cummins he was building but i never got an emial back form him. no roots for me.
yes i do relize the supercharger is like a compund setup thats why i want a normal supercharger not a roots
a normal spools low end while root do more med to high power rang just like a supercharger. i reall want like a supercharger making good idle boost and 15psi is the operating rang that wont blow a seal or blow superchargers up and is a really good rang for any supercharger. i want the supercharger to feed the turbo so i can have 2. super for low end (from idel) a mid sized one to boost as 2000rpm or so and will bypass the supercharger (bigger super charger will require less hp to run at bypass thats why a whipple 4.0 and the 4.0 has a front fed intake) and the 2nd turbo to boost idk maybe 2800-3000 for when i am at the strip. i like to romp on the throtal but never go psat 3000rpm unless i am racing.

so you think just make 2 different spaces (one for the super and one for the turbos) that feeds into the stock intake manifodl with a twin elbow is the way to go? ots deffently simple. ill have to look into this thanks fasst for pointing that out

 

[SSpeeDEMONSS]

You can run a super with compound twins and bypass the super once the turbos take over. Carl has done it and it works good.

Garrett

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[IdahoF350]

OP:
Lysholm/Whipple high helix twin screw, and similar Eaton designs, are an evolution of "roots" superchargers and rely on positive displacement. All are "superchargers", as are any mechanically driven compressors with a "wheel" like Paxton/Vortech/Procharger. These me mechanical "turbos" being "centrifugal" superchargers, use technology that was good enough power the P-51s and other aircraft that won WWII. But enough of that.

You are trying to reinvent the wheel.

Don't reinvent the wheel.

A vastly superior concept would be an adaptation of Mazda's 13B twin turbo system from the early-mid '90s RX7. Sequential chargers. Use a little guy under low drive pressure, light the performance of the engine, then switch to the big charger for top end performance. Way less complicated than a hybrid positive displacement turbo system.

Although, the argument then becomes: why not just build compounds?

 

[07_powerstroke]

I know this isnt what your wanting but this is how mine was set up

to be honest this set up spooled crazy fast. My fav memory with it was pulling out on a street and getting on it hard and the turbo just lights and kicked the back end out and smoked the tire with not diesel smoke!!! with 225s. Loved that.

Why arnt you still running this setup if it was so good? Do you still have the procharger?

 

[java]

I know this isnt what your wanting but this is how mine was set up

to be honest this set up spooled crazy fast. My fav memory with it was pulling out on a street and getting on it hard and the turbo just lights and kicked the back end out and smoked the tire with not diesel smoke!!! with 225s. Loved that.

That is the exact setup I want!

 

[Cutting-Edge Diesel]

Why arnt you still running this setup if it was so good? Do you still have the procharger?

I just wanted more power. Compounds were cheaper than buying a bigger procharger