Thinking of giving up on the 6.0...high egts

[dohcter]

Talk me out of it. Gasket are leaking after 20k miles. In all fairness i'm fairly certain it was from the dealer doing poor block prep. But after pulling the trailer I'm not real happy with egts. ~950 constant and not very hard to creat the 1300 mark
Mods on the truck.
Studs/ egr delete
Regulated return set to 68~69psi
Warren 155/30 injectors
Mbrp exhaust
Afe stage ii intake
Idp moderate ficm. diy 52v. (7 pin)
Idp tow program.


Thoughts I've had to cool it down are have Jess up the injectors to 190-75s and a compound setup (s362/474) Or option 2 is a compound common rail cummins with a 4r100. What i not sure of is of the grass is greener on the other side. And I'll still have egt troubles. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks

 

[Jason]

Why woukd you want to go to bigger injectors and compounds to cool it down? Why not have your current injectors detuned in your tow tune? What type of weight are you towing, and jusy how fast are you towing it? Id spend that money on a turbo (assuming youre on the stock one), and having a tow tune wrote with fuel pulled out of it.

 

[cfdeng7]

Possibly flash your ficm back to stock when towing. My friend sees higher temps towing with the ficm tuned. Also I bet an intercooler and ported intake manifold would drop ur temps 100*-150*.

Could also upgrade your turbo to something along the lines of a powermax, one of adrian's mad turbos etc. And compounds are always an option as are a cummins it just depends on how much money you want to spend.

 

[Whytry]

Agreed with tuning and those egts arnt crazy for towing, as far as the mechanic part I would have them redo it for free or get it to a respected shop

 

[SICKS LITER]

what exactly are you towing?

 

[AllanB]

I would start with a bigger turbo, and like said above, ported intake and exhaust, a quality aftermarket intercooler. Try to move a little more air and give it a path that is a little easier to flow. If the power level is what you want. I would try to improve upon what you have. Compounds are nice, but they sure have a nice price tag on them. But that is jmo. Good luck with it.

 

[Jason]

Kinda what i'm saying. Figure out your issue first, before throwing more fuel into the fire...literally. How often are you towing? Terrain? If youre flat towing 10k lbs. at 65-70mph, that 950 isnt out of line. As you are feeding it more fuel to accelerate or fight a headwind, your egts breaking 1300 isnt unheard of. Go easier on the pedal, if youre keeping your foot in it. Towing with high hp is fun, but you will find every weak link in the drivetrain. Ive pulled 24k lbs (32k lbs. gross) in a tune that probably made 250 at the tires. Watching the gauges, i was able to pull it along at 70mph with no egt issues.

 

[dohcter]

Thanks for the reply guys. What I was pulling was a 20' enclosed car trailer with a car and gear I figure weighs about 9k.

I do have exhaust btw mbrp. 3.5 down/4"

Reason I suggested the 190 injectors was to work with the compounds.

As far as the terrain its Montana. Starr at 3500' and run up from there. Not much flat to pull with.

 

[hawgdoctor]

I would either back down on the ficm tune, or have some more pulled out on your tune. If you don't wanna do that I would definitely do a Turbo change to get some more air in there, or do a ported manifold. Either one would hell you cool it down. How much would depend on your right foot, but its a good starting point.
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[GreenF350]

Talk me out of it. Gasket are leaking after 20k miles. In all fairness i'm fairly certain it was from the dealer doing poor block prep. But after pulling the trailer I'm not real happy with egts. ~950 constant and not very hard to creat the 1300 mark
Mods on the truck.
Studs/ egr delete
Regulated return set to 68~69psi
Warren 155/30 injectors
Mbrp exhaust
Afe stage ii intake
Idp moderate ficm. diy 52v. (7 pin)
Idp tow program.


Thoughts I've had to cool it down are have Jess up the injectors to 190-75s and a compound setup (s362/474) Or option 2 is a compound common rail cummins with a 4r100. What i not sure of is of the grass is greener on the other side. And I'll still have egt troubles. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks

While I don't know if it is standard or not, I JUST sold a 2004 3500 Ram w/305hp common rail Cummins in it with a 6 Speed. Only mods done were a 6" lift with 35's and an open exhaust along with a Banks 6-gun that I left on "stock". You can see my other truck that I have had for about 5 years now in my sig. I thought the grass might be greener on the other side, but in the end with all the potential problems in the common rail cummins I decided to keep my old truck. Anyway...the reason for this post is to mention that I did notice that even at similar/same rpm's and loads my EGT's in my Ford (although a more heavily modded 7.3) ran between about 100* and on some hills on my commute as much as 400* cooler. My Ford felt faster too, but I have know way of knowing for sure.
-Aaron

 

[Mixedbreed]

bigger charger, pull fuel out and water/meth injection. when my powermax fires up, i actually run cooler at higher boost levels.

i don't think you can go back to stock tune to tow with the 155/30's. i could be wrong though.

 

[CCRICE]

I think a new charger would work wonders, I don't think 155/30's can be turned down much more.. I'm just speculating though.


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[kyle43335]

Talk me out of it. Gasket are leaking after 20k miles. In all fairness i'm fairly certain it was from the dealer doing poor block prep. But after pulling the trailer I'm not real happy with egts. ~950 constant and not very hard to creat the 1300 mark
Mods on the truck.
Studs/ egr delete
Regulated return set to 68~69psi
Warren 155/30 injectors
Mbrp exhaust
Afe stage ii intake
Idp moderate ficm. diy 52v. (7 pin)
Idp tow program.


Thoughts I've had to cool it down are have Jess up the injectors to 190-75s and a compound setup (s362/474) Or option 2 is a compound common rail cummins with a 4r100. What i not sure of is of the grass is greener on the other side. And I'll still have egt troubles. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks

get rid of the ficm flash. thats where your extra heat is coming from. its been proven by me,and a few others. ficm flashes are ok with stock injectors. once bigger injs are installed. normal tuning practices are pulling fuel everywhere (other than wot) to control heat,and smoke. ficm flashes add pw(fuel) counteracting the tuner trying to pull fuel,to control said heat and smoke...

the injectors with the extended pw(from ficm tune) are spraying fuel after top dead center.(still firing on the powerstroke) this is where the extra heat is coming from.



to get to supposed greener grass,will be much more $$$ than to just redo the bad attempt at studs and gaskets,and get rid of the ficm flash.

we have cooled down many trucks by geting rid of ficm flashes,with bigger injectors.
good luck.

 

[05wh250]

Kyle is there a way to take the tune out of the ficm if you used a remote programmer and sent it back?

 

[Derek@Vision Diesel]

Intake manifold/no limit piping/some sort of a bit larger turbo.

MTW stage 1 or hybrid
Powermax

Get as much air as possible flowing and i bet you would be surprised.

Getting rid of the FICM tune would probably be a good idea also, doesnt seem like they are ideal for heavy loads. A properly tuned SCT should make you happy without the FICM flash

 

[faster6.0]

dohcter I am looking for a tester for a stage 1 turbo that could definitely bring those egts down a bit, so far showing 100 degree reduction @ wot on stock sticks. shoot me a pm.

 

[kyle43335]

Kyle is there a way to take the tune out of the ficm if you used a remote programmer and sent it back?

either send it to ford,to have it flashed. or send the ficm to php,and have them do a rollback to a early strat. some trucks dont like the new flash.

dohcter I am looking for a tester for a stage 1 turbo that could definitely bring those egts down a bit, so far showing 100 degree reduction @ wot on stock sticks. shoot me a pm.

a turbo will a little bit. it wont bring it down where the op wants it,without geting rid of the extra pw.

 

[dohcter]

dohcter I am looking for a tester for a stage 1 turbo that could definitely bring those egts down a bit, so far showing 100 degree reduction @ wot on stock sticks. shoot me a pm.

Pm sent

 

[dohcter]

Thanks for the insight Kyle. Im going to tear this down to redo the heads and have a talk to bill and get his ficm tuner and take it out for when I do haul.

 

[SICKS LITER]

that doesnt really seem to bad considering the weight and the fact that enclosed trailers are like parachutes.