Transmission Pan tester

HeavyAssault · Jul 26, 2012

Any volunteers??? 8 additional quarts, temp port, lower cost.....Seems legit.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DER-14208/

Mdub707 · Jul 26, 2012

The price is really tempting, especially since I have a GoGo solenoid sitting here waiting to go in... but I'm not sure if I want to spend the extra coin on 8 more quarts when my trans never even gets hot at all... I've never even had this thing over 200* on the hottest of summer days towing my camper around...

HeavyAssault · Jul 26, 2012

Same here but figured someone out there may want to give it a try. Beats the MagTech costs so hope I helped someone out.

Mdub707 · Jul 26, 2012

Stamped Steel vs. machined aluminum? It's just a steel pan again. Hmmm

Very interesting though.

hawgdoctor · Jul 26, 2012

Let me know if you want one Brian. They also have tubes that run all the way through the pan for cooling. Have played with a couple of them. Seem well made.

Mark Kovalsky · Jul 26, 2012

HeavyAssault said:
Any volunteers??? 8 additional quarts, temp port, lower cost.....Seems legit.

What does 8 additional quarts do for you, other than emptying your wallet faster when you change the fluid?

Mdub707 said:
The price is really tempting, especially since I have a GoGo solenoid sitting here waiting to go in... but I'm not sure if I want to spend the extra coin on 8 more quarts when my trans never even gets hot at all... I've never even had this thing over 200* on the hottest of summer days towing my camper around...

How would this pan help cool the fluid? I don't understand how a pan can cool the transmission. Maybe I don't get it, I was only an automatic transmission cooling engineer for three of the years I was at Ford.

Mdub707 said:
Stamped Steel vs. machined aluminum? It's just a steel pan again.

What's wrong with a stamped steel pan? Once again, I don't understand.

hawgdoctor said:
Let me know if you want one Brian. They also have tubes that run all the way through the pan for cooling. Have played with a couple of them. Seem well made.

How would tubes through the pan help cool the trans? This is getting repetitive, I don't understand again. The air around the transmission is well over 200°F degrees when the engine is working hard. That's when you want transmission cooling. How will 200°F air help cool the transmission? Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention in my heat transfer classes. I thought you needed air that was cooler than the ATF to cool it. Silly me.

Zmann · Jul 26, 2012

This is funny I was just ordering one ,, they have been out for a while ..but

I just wanted to make sure it would accomodate the new style filter ,, I sent them an emai but they never answered.

I didn't think it was 8 extra qts?

I do see how those tubes would cool to ambient In my mind better via air to oil and increased surface area?

many folks argue more fluid longer to cool ,, but I would rather have more fluid longer to heat up when in a high demand situation.

EDIT but at the end of the day Mark is always right ,, but if I need to buy a pan for the filter upgrade ,, this looks nice and probably close to the OEM price ?

Mwilbur516 · Jul 26, 2012

I noticed this at the bottom of the page-Derale Cooling Products transmission pans can double your transmission's life by dropping its temperature 20 to 50 degrees. These pans hold about one extra quart of fluid and have heat-conducting metal tubes on the bottom. A replacement gasket is included- but up higher it says 8qt increase.... what is it 1 or 8 qts?

Zmann · Jul 26, 2012

I think the capacity increase is a misprint Derale doesn't mention that amount plus it is'nt twice the size as stock

but the new pdf verifies multiple fitment ,, so I am getting one vs stock 08plus

http://inet.derale.com/clientdocs/1_250.pdf

Zmann · Jul 26, 2012

looks like a quart more from other sites specs ?

Pizza pig · Jul 26, 2012

adding fluid capacity is just going to make the transmission be less efficient

Zmann · Jul 26, 2012

jeg's is cheaper ,, well same price but free ship

never mind shipping is free but the fags back door you and charge a 12 dollar handling fee

Zmann · Jul 26, 2012

pizza pig said:
adding fluid capacity is just going to make the transmission be less efficient

I don't see how ..

BigAlsPSD · Jul 26, 2012

Sponsor's have them too http://www.riffraffdiesel.com/mm5/m...re_Code=RRD&Product_Code=14208&Category_Code=

A little pricier but still a sponsor. Although I am with Mark on the cooling effectiveness achieved.

Agjake11 · Jul 27, 2012

pizza pig said:
adding fluid capacity is just going to make the transmission be less efficient

Interested to hear why.

Mark Kovalsky · Jul 27, 2012

pizza pig said:
adding fluid capacity is just going to make the transmission be less efficient

Care to explain how? I don't understand how more fluid capacity makes the trans less efficient.

Dave · Jul 27, 2012

Mark Kovalsky said:
What does 8 additional quarts do for you, other than emptying your wallet faster when you change the fluid?

How would this pan help cool the fluid? I don't understand how a pan can cool the transmission. Maybe I don't get it, I was only an automatic transmission cooling engineer for three of the years I was at Ford.

What's wrong with a stamped steel pan? Once again, I don't understand.

How would tubes through the pan help cool the trans? This is getting repetitive, I don't understand again. The air around the transmission is well over 200°F degrees when the engine is working hard. That's when you want transmission cooling. How will 200°F air help cool the transmission? Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention in my heat transfer classes. I thought you needed air that was cooler than the ATF to cool it. Silly me.

100% correct.

Large pans dont offer any more cooling ability than a normal one.

In fact if the fluid were to get hotter a large pan hinders cooling ability.

The only way to cool trans fluid is to allow access to cooler air.

Something like a front mount trans cooler or a thermostatically controlled fan cooler.

Agjake11 · Jul 27, 2012

Zmann said:
looks like a quart more from other sites specs ?

BigAlsPSD said:
Sponsor's have them too http://www.riffraffdiesel.com/mm5/m...re_Code=RRD&Product_Code=14208&Category_Code=

A little pricier but still a sponsor. Although I am with Mark on the cooling effectiveness achieved.

riff raff says 5 extra quarts. so far its been 8, 5, or 1 extra now :shrug:

faster6.0 · Jul 27, 2012

hawgdoctor said:
Let me know if you want one Brian. They also have tubes that run all the way through the pan for cooling. Have played with a couple of them. Seem well made.

Please do explain how it cools more......