Tuned FICM True Gains?

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He brought me up from 12, I was getting 10 stock then swapped exhuast and I was getting 12.... My trucks an 07 so I wonder if I need to try ficm running


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Hey Matt,

When you gonna come by and get your truck back on the dyno? Would like to see some numbers on your truck with the before/after for the FICM tunes. :D Let me know when you might have time to swing by and we'll set something up.
 

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Bill, my SCT Livewire took a dump on me, but SCT came through and are fixing it, updating the software and sending a new power cord even though its outta warranty. I use the livewire to monitor, so I really don't want to push the truck until I can at least watch my EGT's. I'll get with you when my Livewire gets back from its vacation in Florida.
 

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A lot of guys running Matt's tunes don't seem to get the mileage as those running other tuners. I know Matt is a good tuner and I appreciate his efforts to make big power with less smoke, but even Chris, the GPDA President, has had a horrible time trying to get decent mileage on Matt's tunes. Chris is about to try the Super Panty Dropper from TSD since so many of our members are running that with awesome mileage results.

The trucks that seem to get bad mileage are either running more or less boost than required to get the job done on the highway. I have asked those that are having issues to contact me about what is so different about their trucks. I can make adjustments either way.
 

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Matt,

Are you seeing excessive EBP at cruise as part of the cause for poor fuel economy. I ask because we've seen the same thing from time to time.
 

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The trucks that seem to get bad mileage are either running more or less boost than required to get the job done on the highway. I have asked those that are having issues to contact me about what is so different about their trucks. I can make adjustments either way.
OK, contact was made and Chris was told that there was no way the guys claiming 17-19 mpg around town were accurate and his mileage was normal. Now, I for one am very well versed in all categories of mathematics, so I'm very confident in my (hand) calculations regarding fuel economy. I know where and how I drive and I know that my truck gets between 17 and 19 mpg's around town and 20-22 mpg highway (unloaded and under 70mph). My truck is an 06' F-250 XL, extended cab long bed 4x4 with 55,000 miles. The tires are roughly 34's on 17" Gear Alloy wheels. I have a 58v FICM tuned by Bill at PHP (currently running the Atlas80), S&B CAI, MBRP 4" turbo back straight pipe, 6.4l banjo's, EGR delete, ARP's with Ford gaskets, SCT Livewire and I'm currently running a modified version of TSD's Super Panties tune. I also have tunes from IDP and QT that net me comparable mileage.

Chris's truck is an 06' Harley Davidson edition, crew cab short bed 4x4 with 100,000 miles. His wheel tire combo is 35's on 20" rims. He has basically the same mods as I do, without the 6.4l banjo's, his CAI is an AFE and his FICM is only 48v, but has Bill's old non-inductive heating tune. He is also running the SRL instead of the Super Panties tune. He nets roughly 12-13 mpg.

We have another member who owns an 06' F-250 King Ranch, crew cab short bed 4x4 with just over 100,000 miles. He runs stock wheels (20's) and tires. He also gets 17-19 back and worth to work and around town. He is also running the same S&B, a Diamond Eye 4" down pipe to 5" exhaust, 6.4l banjo's, 48v FICM tuned by Bill at PHP (currently running Bills old FICM tune without inductive heating) and an X3 with TSD's Super Panties tune.

And yet another member has an 04' F-250 Lariat, crew cab long bed 4x4. Not sure on this trucks mileage. It has stock wheels (17's) and tires, EGR delete, ARP's on stock gaskets, 4" exhaust, the same S&B CAI and is also running TSD's Super Panties. Her truck is right there with us on fuel mileage.

I know Gearhead has smooth and powerful tunes. I know there are a ton of guys out there that think very highly of your tunes and I will admit that Chris's truck did 3 more RWHP than me at the GPDA dyno day at PHP (even though I bet his torque number by 20ft-lbs). I also know (as previously stated) that Gearhead is known for very little smoke which is exactly what the diesel world needs. I will however say that Chris's truck smoked much, much more on the SRL than my truck did on the Super Panties tune, which is yet another reason why I think his tune is corrupted somehow.

I am in no way knocking Gearhead. I'm just saying that from my experience with trucks running the SRL tunes, they don't get the mileage that trucks running other tunes do. I've heard from a few guys who claim lower than expected mpg's while the SRL was loaded. I also know modifications and driving style greatly affect fuel economy, but in this case the trucks in question are modded very similarly and driven alike. I don't appreciate when someone basically calls me and several others liars because of our fuel economy claims. We know what we get and have no reason to be dishonest. I mean is someone else gonna start paying our fuel bill if we claim bigger mpg numbers? No, they are not.

What it all boils down to is that I have consistent fuel econ from my big IDP, QT and TSD tunes, but I havn't run the SRL to compare on my truck. I actually thought about purchasing the SRL to compare it against my other tunes. That would be the only real way to test and know how the Gearhead tunes stack up against the other tunes as far as power and fuel econ.

Again, I don't want this to turn into a big pissing match. I have given my opinion and stated the facts that I have. I think Gearhead is a great company and has a sh*tload of very happy customers. They are successful and I hope Matt continues to create tunes with less and less smoke so the EPA will leave our sport alone. It seems Matt and I just don't see eye to eye on the fuel econ aspect and thats OK.
 
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I just got my FICM reflashed by Bill @ PHP. I can tell the differnce allready. Better throttle response and smoother drive. Doesn't feel like I'm driving an Army Duce 1/2 anymore. I can see the difference too in fuel mileage just by what my Scan Gauge II is showing me.
 

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Very nice! Hit me up next week and let me know what you come up with for mileage numbers. :D

I'm not saying any of my tracking is perfect, but I was getting 16 + mpg average. I put the AFE filter and it jumped to 17+. Driving the truck home and some yesterday the Scan Gauge was showing 23 + / - and hit 24mpg. This never have happened before. I've notice the mpg's climbing faster in a shorter distance than before.
I use both Scan Gauge and an fuel tracker app.
Curt
 

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Matt,

Are you seeing excessive EBP at cruise as part of the cause for poor fuel economy. I ask because we've seen the same thing from time to time.

Yes and there are no common reason on why this happens. I've seen the mileage also dip on trucks with no Egr valve.
 

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Yes and there are no common reason on why this happens. I've seen the mileage also dip on trucks with no Egr valve.

That's interesting, because the EGR valve could effectively reduce backpressure in the exhaust, although the gains from running undiluted usually FAR outweigh any gains from the reduction of backpressure unless the turbo is so tight that it is completely restricting the exhaust.
 

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I've posed this question before. I also have not received a clear answer for the "gains". If I'm laying out the cash I want dyno proven gains, not seat of the pants gains. Everyone says there is gains and 40 hp is the majic number but where is the before and after dyno sheets from the same dyno?

From my research on this most of these guys have upgraded ficm's with voltage and since it was there tuned the ficm or bought it pretuned when their's died.

Not trying to start an argument, or dispute gains in milage or power. Because I believe there is some gains. I just want dyno proof.
I personally dont even trust Dyno numbers,bc Im sure as you already know, dyno numbers are simply a guide. I personally am a fan of taking it to the track, those numbers are more accurate IMO..Of course just like dyno's, track times vary but In my exp those track times seem to be more "true" in the long run.
 

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I personally dont even trust Dyno numbers,bc Im sure as you already know, dyno numbers are simply a guide. I personally am a fan of taking it to the track, those numbers are more accurate IMO..Of course just like dyno's, track times vary but In my exp those track times seem to be more "true" in the long run.

I agree completely. So with that in mind...

My truck is a 2004 Single Cab 2WD. With me in the seat and 1/8 tank of fuel, the trucks weighs a little over 6600 Lbs. On our dyno we ran 440HP on fuel only and 482HP on Water/Meth.

My best 1/4 mile run is 12.96 @ 102.6 MPH. According to most standard 1/4 mile calculators (like this one...), I am making 483 HP at the wheels. I'd say that is a pretty fair comparison and while I can't speak for other dynos, I'm pretty sure it backs up the accuracy of our dyno. :thumbsup:
 

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Bill, quick question for you, and if it's been answered already I apologize, but I'm running Matt's tuning on my dually, if I were to get you guys to tune the FICM would I need new tunes from him?
 

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No, you won't need the tunes redone. You shouldn't have any problem running the FICM tuning with Matt's tunes. We have a lot of FICM customers running tunes from Matt, Eric, Vivian... Just about everyone... and they've worked quite well.
 

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Mwilbur what was your mileage stock?

Bone stock, no tune, stock wheels and tires, muffler and cat delete, I was approx. 15-16 mpg. Oddly enough, my mileage seemed to vary more then, now it stays much more consistant. Keep in mind my truck came with steel wheels and again, it is an XL model so it weighs a little less than something like a Harley or KR trimmed truck. Also, it's extended cab and not crew. We do have other members getting comparable mileage to mine with heavier trim configurations and crew cabs though.

What are guys claiming on your tunes with comparable trucks. I would love to try your SRL to check mileage against the other tunes. Chris at TSD speaks very highly of you. I put a lot into what Vivian at QT and Chris at TSD say. I believe the truck in question (running the SRL getting bad fuel econ) has either a corrupted tune or some other issue. I noticed that it was even emmiting a slight haze (kinda like a Dodge) just rolling thru the parking lot at our last G2G. No problems are present on the stock tune and the econ increases when programmed to stock. This leads me to believe the tune is somehow corrupted.

He told me that when he called about the issue no one attempted to help out. He said he was told his mileage was normal and there was nothing that could be done. He no longer has the tune anywhere but on the SCT device, so if it is corrupted, he can't even reload it.
 

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Stock on my 07 super cab short box with 20" wheels and 275/65/r20a ( measure 34.5") I was getting 10 mpg... After diamond eye 4" dp to 5" out the back ad srl I'm getting 14-15mpg this is city driving.... This is all stock no egr delete... That is next on the list.


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With a stock tune on an EGR deleted truck with stock injectors and turbo and mods in my sig, I get about 16.5 mpg. So far with Matt's SRLX the first tank has netted me 15.8 but there was a good bit of hot rodding going on because the tune was new. I will try it for a couple of weeks and see how it goes. This is the same fuel mileage I saw out of the SPD w/early lock up but with that one I had wierd things happening with my truck (not due to any fault of Chris or the tune but) due to not having an EGR valve in place. I replaced the EGR valve at the same time I loaded Matt's SRLX so like I said I will run his tune for another tank and then I will try the SPD w/early lock up and see how it does. Both tunes run like a raped ape though and it beats dodges so I dont mind a little lower fuel mileage.
 

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