Tuning 101 - Thread Merged with Injector Posts

[Charles]

And yes..... in order to view a file you need the appropriate template for that cache code. You can get crafty with a hex editor, but most trucks fall into only a few templates, so the cost isn't extreme.

 

[Vader's Fury]

Does the hydra chip work like an emulator and allow me to make changes on the fly?

Looking to place my order for my software after the first of the year and just want to make sure that I get what I need.

I currently use a ts chip and I already have a burner.

 

[TyCorr]

I think my opinion is at odds with reality because Bill gets plenty of flak for his tuning being conservative and whatever but i had no bad characteristics with his first crack at tuning my frankenparts truck.

 

[Charles]

Does the hydra chip work like an emulator and allow me to make changes on the fly?

Looking to place my order for my software after the first of the year and just want to make sure that I get what I need.

I currently use a ts chip and I already have a burner.

I've never tuned on the fly...

I have a tweeccer, so I pull over, make whatever change I want to make, switch the truck off, key it on, reflash the tweeccer (about 20 seconds) key the truck, crank and drive away again. In fact, I was messing around with some stuff one time and a guy in a dodge came up behind me (probably seeing smoke as I was testing something) and wanted to show me how stacking boxes was gonna murder my old dinosaur. Unfortunately I was in a program that made like half power, lol. I pulled over, reflashed to my current F your face file, immediately caught back up with him and murdered him. He stabbed it and I immediately stepped out and passed him, lol.

Point being, flashing a J3 module takes nowhere near as long as flashing through the OBD port.

You can technically live flash the tweeccer, but I think like most, if you make much of a change the truck will knock or hit hard and throw SES lights or just straight die. Wasn't my cup of tea. I always turn it off.


With the hydra I'm sure it would work the same way if not better.

 

[Vader's Fury]

Sorry but what is a tweeccer?

I just don't want to have to pull the chip and reflash through my burner for every change I want to make.

 

[Charles]

Sorry but what is a tweeccer?

I just don't want to have to pull the chip and reflash through my burner for every change I want to make.

Doesn't the hydra have a usb connection? Surely it can be flashed while on the pcm right?

Bill? Where's Bill?

 

[Vader's Fury]

I believe it does but I want to make sure. If not I will stick with my ts chip. I def don't need 15 different tunes LOL

 

[TyCorr]

No. Apparently getting 1 is enough of an issue.

My biggest issue is, trans tuning is still gonna suck without a pcs?

 

[JD3020]

Sorry but what is a tweeccer?

I just don't want to have to pull the chip and reflash through my burner for every change I want to make.

Then get a hydra and keep the USB cable with you. Make changes, throw the tune on and roll. Super super quick to load tunes onto a Hydra, no reason to mess with anything else. And you can have what, 15 different tunes on it?


Although back when i was racing and pulling my OBS i'd actually take my laptop, TS burner, and a power inverter with me. I'd make some changes on the tune, pull the chip out, start the truck to power the inverter, plug in the burner and burn the chip, turn the truck back off, put the chip in, and rock on. Took a while, but it worked.

 

[Charles]

Then get a hydra and keep the USB cable with you. Make changes, throw the tune on and roll. Super super quick to load tunes onto a Hydra, no reason to mess with anything else. And you can have what, 15 different tunes on it?


Although back when i was racing and pulling my OBS i'd actually take my laptop, TS burner, and a power inverter with me. I'd make some changes on the tune, pull the chip out, start the truck to power the inverter, plug in the burner and burn the chip, turn the truck back off, put the chip in, and rock on. Took a while, but it worked.

I wrote a lot of programs with my burner at my desktop at the office. I also wrote a lot of programs with an extension cord hanging out the door of the truck, lol.

I've found that running the inverter pisses off AE so much that I pretty much just quit doing it. I have a better laptop now and can pretty much mess around all day off and on without charging.


This is the tweecer:

http://www.tweecer.com/


I bought that because the hydra didn't exist. It was a long time ago.

 

[ja_cain]

http://store.gopowerhungry.com/en/tuning-software/174-quarterhorse-emmulator.html#

This is the hardware I spoke of in another thread. It supposedly will allow you to data log and change parameters on the fly.

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[Vader's Fury]

Ya. The emulator is what I would buy but if I can make changes and just upload a new file to the Hydra while it is still hooked up to the truck, that will work without the added cost of the emulator.

Guess I will try and sell off my burner and chip as I won't have a need for them once I get the Hydra. I just am not a fan of the hydra controller. I had a similar one with Dp Tuner and didn't care for it. Like the turn switch better.

 

[cleatus12r]

Sounds like people just want stuff for free without putting in the time having to learn for themselves.

 

[sootie]

Sounds like people just want stuff for free without putting in the time having to learn for themselves.

you clearly missed Charles' post where he stated the objective is to capitalize on each others strengths. e.g. Dave is good at cold starts & idle, Charles is good at fine tuning 200s etc. This is a place to share info and advance the sport with fellow enthusiasts. Please don't use any of the files that are shared...

 

[Charles]

Sounds like people just want stuff for free without putting in the time having to learn for themselves.

According to Tim and Jim nobody knows how to tune a 200% nozzle or greater without sitting in each and every truck, and from what I gathered, not even then listening to those two ramble on and on about it.

We can just fix that right up. I would already have a dozen or so files up. I would just toss them up as I was working through them and if anybody wanted to fix anything they didn't like..... they could!

I would also have a couple of files for VDH up that anyone with trans tuning experience might be able to look at and possibly garner something useful.

There are a number of people that could do a number of things better in my programs than I'm doing. And according to the horror stories, there are a number of people in dire need of help that I, if nobody else, could easily give based on what I'm hearing.

And I'm no 200 specialist. The same concept I've been tuning them with was learned on 300's and 400's. They're all the same to tune with each one being a bit further down the same road, as you would expect.

In my experience it's all very cut and dry. Something will occasionally hang me up for a few days and I'll drive around thinking about it and eventually conceptualize what the engine is doing and why it's happening. It's always something I've screwed up in a map somewhere. And it's never something "special" to my truck. At least not that I've seen. I've tuned 3 of them now and they've all responded the same. I don't see that changing except on trucks that are broken.

If we can collectively produce a large nozzle file bank all the bs'ing can stop. And people can choose the nozzle they need, instead of one they think somebody might be willing to tune. If there was a big pile of public files here, people could rest assured that something would meet their needs. If not..... the same people that produced the list could tweak it a bit for their preferences, 99% of which I see being trans related.

 

[Tim @ P.I.S.]

I love how you like to go around putting words in people's mouths.

Do me this, refrain from ever using my name again and I will refrain from correcting the info you want everyone to believe is gospel.

 

[DZL JIM]

Charles, you simply crack me up. For someone so knowledgeable in everything 7.3 related (and I mean that with respect, not a smart a$$ comment) you seem to lack basic common sense.
You continue to pick on Tim and I for chiming in, perhaps why no other injector builders care to respond. The reason we do is because we have dealt with approximately 8,000 customers over the past 10 years between us, and we have to deal with the population that reads what you type as gospel.
How many different people/customers have you tuned for in that time period?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
You continue to make comments like "Fwiw, it would only take me a hour or so to have a set of 200 nozzles running like clockwork in a bone stock truck. No intake, no exhaust, no turbo, nothing. I would have it running 200rwhp if you wanted with absolutely no effort at all..."
This is exactly what we have been trying to get across!
LIVE tuning!
LIVE tuning!
LIVE tuning!
That's the only reason I don't push 200% nozzles. It's not practical, or even possible for the majority of people wanting to run them.
Your input on running a 200% nozzle is invalid for 99.99% of the 8,000 customers we have dealt with because you personally deal in nothing but LIVE tuning, and that right there is the key.
How you don't get that is still a mystery to me.
And how you have determined that Tim and I don't know what we are doing to build injectors with a 200% nozzle, when the reason their truck doesn't run perfectly is because a customer can't afford to have his truck live tuned, puzzles me even further.
:shrug:
I call BS on your personal one 200% nozzle tune that will work miracles on any truck. No way. Ain't gonna happen. I have the customer base to prove otherwise with even basic Stage-1 trucks needing adjustments to tuning.
But what do I know. I'm not Charles.

Even if Charles doesn't get what Tim and I are trying to get across, hopefully others looking for real-world input do.

 

[DZL JIM]

According to Tim and Jim nobody knows how to tune a 200% nozzle or greater without sitting in each and every truck, and from what I gathered, not even then listening to those two ramble on and on about it.
We can just fix that right up. I would already have a dozen or so files up. I would just toss them up as I was working through them and if anybody wanted to fix anything they didn't like..... they could!
I would also have a couple of files for VDH up that anyone with trans tuning experience might be able to look at and possibly garner something useful.
There are a number of people that could do a number of things better in my programs than I'm doing. And according to the horror stories, there are a number of people in dire need of help that I, if nobody else, could easily give based on what I'm hearing. If we can collectively produce a large nozzle file bank all the bs'ing can stop. And people can choose the nozzle they need, instead of one they think somebody might be willing to tune. If there was a big pile of public files here, people could rest assured that something would meet their needs. If not..... the same people that produced the list could tweak it a bit for their preferences, 99% of which I see being trans related.

This sounds like a great idea. Can you get Jody, Jonathan, Tony, Justin, and Bill all the same files? That would help a lot.
Thanks.

 

[Charles]

I love how you like to go around putting words in people's mouths.

Do me this, refrain from ever using my name again and I will refrain from correcting the info you want everyone to believe is gospel.

Unless you somehow decided to take matters into your own hands and started tuning last night you're in the wrong thread. This is for the I cans, not the I can'ts.

If you ever do decide to get off your smart ass and help fix the problem feel free to contribute. This will probably be the place for it. But the worthless bs should stay on the other thread and die with it.

 

[ja_cain]

Ya. The emulator is what I would buy but if I can make changes and just upload a new file to the Hydra while it is still hooked up to the truck, that will work without the added cost of the emulator.

Guess I will try and sell off my burner and chip as I won't have a need for them once I get the Hydra. I just am not a fan of the hydra controller. I had a similar one with Dp Tuner and didn't care for it. Like the turn switch better.

I could see the emulator being useful if tuning on a dyno where you are in a controlled environment. Cruzing down the interstate with no traffic would be ok too.