6.0.4 revisited

Would you put 6.4 compounds on your truck?

  • Hell Yeah!

    Votes: 33 30.6%
  • Sleep on it.

    Votes: 10 9.3%
  • Not going to waste my brain cells on this one.

    Votes: 24 22.2%
  • The juice isn't worth the sqeeze!

    Votes: 26 24.1%
  • My truck already has 6.4 compounds!

    Votes: 15 13.9%

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190/100 a solid injector that will easily attain your hp goals, I don't know anyone that tows with 205's ? I'm sure its possible though. It's so hard to say on cleanup with this turbo setup, cuz its never been done. lol trial and error I'd say.
 

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190/100 a solid injector that will easily attain your hp goals, I don't know anyone that tows with 205's ? I'm sure its possible though. It's so hard to say on cleanup with this turbo setup, cuz its never been done. lol trial and error I'd say.



Pretty sure shawns dually tow rig has 205s and compounds. He says it tows like a dream.
 

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Pretty sure shawns dually tow rig has 205s and compounds. He says it tows like a dream.

He is also running a 62 over S475, maybe even a tad larger on the low pressure...

Stock 6.4's are pretty tiny. May or may not have a hard time. Like said earlier, no one really knows how these turbos are going to respond on a 6.0. I am willing to bet that they respond nothing like they do on a 6.4.
 

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He is also running a 62 over S475, maybe even a tad larger on the low pressure...

Stock 6.4's are pretty tiny. May or may not have a hard time. Like said earlier, no one really knows how these turbos are going to respond on a 6.0. I am willing to bet that they respond nothing like they do on a 6.4.

We also know how a 62/65 over an s475 reacts...makes boost insanely quick. Both the atmosphere and high pressure chargers are smaller than that..even if they high pressure vanes were left open, it would have to spool. In theory anyways lol..
 

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What do you guys think the back pressure numbers are going to look like coming out of these stock 6.4 turbo's? Can the 6.0 handle the pressure like the 6.4 engine does? That was one of things that stopped me from doing the egr delete on my old 6.4, was the cost of the wastegate kit for the egr delete to limit bp. Very interesting build btw, good luck.
 

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I don't think the 6.0 is going to have any issues handling the turbo's at all, its just going to be a matter of setting up the truck around them.
 

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Mike (mdub) had mentioned at some point the 6.4 turbine housings are small. After looking at the stocker 6.0 and the stocker 6.4, the turbine wheels on the 6.4 are HUGE and I don't see that they are any more confined than the 6.0's. Mike when u get the chance can you explain yourself?
 

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stock 6.4 turbo sizing is not your problem. 650+ hp can be had on a 6.4 with stock injectors and the Elite tow power atmosphere turbo setup, and close to 600 on totally stock turbos and injectors. I just did some checking on the 6.4 pedistal for you on a 6.0 block. to answer some of your speculated questions, oil drainage will be easy, but will require machining or drilling the block where the pedistal goes. you just have to drill straight down through the flat part where the 6.4 pedistal will go to make it drain. It will just go down inside the block from there.

The big problem is how to drill without any shavings getting down in the oil, so to do it right, it must be done with the engine ripped down to a bare block. You'll need to do this for the pedistal mounting bolts as well since none of them come close to lining up. Drill, and tap the block to get the pedistal to mount and allow drainage. I suppose you could cram enough rags in there to make them catch all the shavings if you remove the hpop to access the space, saving you from ripping it down to a bare block to keep out the shavings. It's not something I'd be willing to risk on a project though. You'll also have figure out several more things to get the pedistal to fit properly because the block is not machined smooth where the pedistal should mount, which needs to be a sealed surface. There is also a fitment issue as the 6.4 pedistal is too large to sit down between the oil cooler and HPOP cover. Clearancing of the pedistal (which will destroy the 6.4 pedistal gasket, or eliminating mounting bolts and feet of the oil cooler cover and HPOP cover are required to allow room for the pedistal. You'll have to come up with a way to seal the base of the pedistal to the block all on your own. I didn't look, but the 6.0 block bolt holes for the stock turbo pedistal also might cross paths with the 6.4 pedistal gasket, further complicating your sealing requirements. Welding the factory turbo drain port shut on the HPOP cover should be no problem, but it's something to think about as well.

The good news is that once you mount the pedistal, 6.4 stock up pipes should bolt right on using 6.4 exhaust manifolds as the pedistal fitment front to back will be in the identical location as it sits on the 6.4 block. The same applies with the 6.4 down pipe. It should bolt right on. You'll obviously need to change the flange at the bottom to accept your existing exhaust, but hey, it could work. As far as your intake goes, I think you'd be best off to attempt using the front of a 6.0 intake, and itegrate the back half of a 6.4 manifold for turbo clearance and keeping your alternator mounting. The only other feasable location I've seen to mount an alternator is the other side of the top, or in place of the a/c compressor, which is a real kill-joy for daily driver trucks.

Of course you still will need to make room by relocating your FICM, and possibly the coolant reservoir to allow for the factory 6.4 compound piping with a custom mounting bracket as none of it will interchange.

Can all of this be done? Sure, but is it worth it? We at Elite decided long ago that for marketing purposes it is not simply because of the block machining requirements to make it all happen aside from everything else. We're working on a conversion kit so guys can drop in a turn-key 6.4 kind of like de-stroked does with cummins stuff, except for the part that a 6.4 will already bolt in, and it's just a matter of electronics, piping, plumbing, and stuff like that. That's our approach to getting the 6.4 turbos under the hood of a "6.0", plus the benefit of common rail injection. Good luck. I'm curious to see how the pedistal problems are resolved. BTW, do you even have head studs yet? if not, you definitely will before the turbos go on.
 
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I guess I could also mention that I haven't put any calipers on or drilled a block for a pedistal myself, but feeling it I would guess the thickness of the block where the pedistal needs to go is about 1/8"-3/16", which might not allow for enough thread once tapped for the bolt holes. More food for thought at any rate. Don't get me wrong with all this info. I'd love to see it done.
 

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Wayne,
Awesome information! If I were at my computer I would have more to say but its bed time and I am on my phone...

At this point I plan to ditch the stock 6.4 pedestal and fabricate my own and fabricate piping for turbo drainage.
 

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Good deal. I have it in my mind of how you could do that without too much of a complicated mess. Time will tell just how different my idea is to your actual produced unit.. do you plan on using the original turbo drain port in the Hpop cover for the drain on both turbos? If not, then what? It really shouldn't be too bad of a fabrication job.
 

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Well my theory is to utilize the existing bolt location on the 6.0 block, and kind of adapt up from therehavent really come up with a set plan yet. I wanted to see if I can get away with the 6.0 intake manifold but I doubt it will happen, either way it doesn't matter to me because I will have to relocate my alternator to make room for the intake tube which is will be right smack behind the alternator. I will be doing this with a dual alternator kit and remove the upper alternator. As for drainage, yes use stock location on hpop cover, maybe the use of some flex for the one off but I hope to fab a hard pipe as a permanent fixture.

Reading your first post last night made me realize I should just buy the 6.4 exhaust manifolds and use them. I have been trying to figure out how to determine the location to cut the up pipes to mate them to my 6.0 manifolds, and then how do I flare them.... KISS! (Keep It Simple Stupid). Once I get it all working and together, then I will worry about which manifold flows better, and how to open things up to be more efficient and squeeze the life out of these turbo's on the 6.0.

Lastly, yes I have studs. They're not in yet but they will be going in at the same time.
 

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Mike (mdub) had mentioned at some point the 6.4 turbine housings are small. After looking at the stocker 6.0 and the stocker 6.4, the turbine wheels on the 6.4 are HUGE and I don't see that they are any more confined than the 6.0's. Mike when u get the chance can you explain yourself?

When you first brought the idea of this project up, I was basically trying to sway you into building a set of custom compounds, which would certainly outflow these, that is all. I guess I underestimated your dedication to it, I'm still here reading every day waiting for updates, can't wait to see where it goes. I'm still entirely convinced it can be done cheap enough to warrant going with the smaller turbos of the stock 6.4 vs. building a set of compounds like others have done, but again... that's why I'm hear reading, I have some hope for you and would really like to see this happen. :rockon:
 

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Love the support! We are getting closer to go time. I decided to get the 6.4 exhaust manifolds and use them to lessen the fab work for now.

All that is left on the parts list is:
Intake piping
My VGT electronics
Miscellaneous bolts
Belts for dual alt kit and shortened main belt
Oil drainage parts for turbo's

I think that's about it.
 

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Love the support! We are getting closer to go time. I decided to get the 6.4 exhaust manifolds and use them to lessen the fab work for now.

All that is left on the parts list is:
Intake piping
My VGT electronics
Miscellaneous bolts
Belts for dual alt kit and shortened main belt
Oil drainage parts for turbo's

I think that's about it.


A lot of guys with 6.4's have ditched their manifolds in favor of the 6.0 one's... I'd stick with those.
 

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I'll talk to my buddy who will be helping me out with the fab work to see if we has a way of flaring the end of the pipe to mate up with the 6.0 manifolds otherwise for the sake of just getting it done 6.4 manifolds make it faster.

Wayne,
I am trying to do this project on a budget so aftermarket parts like those sweet $750 up pipes are out of question for "making it work." when it's in an running then I will upgrade from stock parts. I originally guesstimated $1200, so far with some small additions here and there I am roughing $1550+/-
 
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