Any good info on cams?

[Straubtech]

opcorn:

Hey I have had no lunch today......give me some popcorn!!!!!!

 

[sideactiondiesel]

Hey I have had no lunch today......give me some popcorn!!!!!!

HAHAHA Chris its a never ending battle isn't it!? lol

 

[jester2011]

On your opening statement. Yes I do know what cam specs are. Lift duration and even lobe separation. No I would not buy a cam with no numbers or specs

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[jester2011]

I posted this Brenton when I seen first seen your post and did not finish the thread. I don't know who Chris is or straubtech but, I have to retract my statement. I will now buy a cam without numbers only if it is from you Brenton. Ohh my foot tastes great. ( kinda stuck my foot in my mouth. Opps

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[Straubtech]

HAHAHA Chris its a never ending battle isn't it!? lol

It's just education. We all have to learn. I learn everyday.

 

[Extended Power]

Well I'm excited. Not too many company owners will call a stranger, just to shoot the breeze.
Chris actually took time out of his busy day to contact me directly on the phone.
For that, I am thankful, as I am a nobody in this big 'ol blue world. (Just some guy wanting to solve an issue with his current combination.)
We spoke for just over an hour, or I should say, Chris spoke for just about an hour. Lol
He is definetly passionate for his work, that's for sure, and has a very interesting concept for the diesel market.
I would have given my credit card info to him today for a cam, but I need to get him some flow numbers first......I should have said I had stock heads.:doh:

 

[Halestorm55]

If you can make those crazy kanuks happy then you should be good to go. A cam is a ways down the road for me but I know where I will be getting mine. You guys keep up the good work.

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[Straubtech]

Well I'm excited. Not too many company owners will call a stranger, just to shoot the breeze.
Chris actually took time out of his busy day to contact me directly on the phone.
For that, I am thankful, as I am a nobody in this big 'ol blue world. (Just some guy wanting to solve an issue with his current combination.)
We spoke for just over an hour, or I should say, Chris spoke for just about an hour. Lol
He is definetly passionate for his work, that's for sure, and has a very interesting concept for the diesel market.
I would have given my credit card info to him today for a cam, but I need to get him some flow numbers first......I should have said I had stock heads.:doh:

Part of this is education. I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer and I still learn everyday. I want anyone to ask questions. I want anyone who wants to call.

Your ported head and rpm range will need a custom stick. What is done won't work as your build is "out of the box". Not an issue though.

I sent Ivan a Valve Event calculator. Anyone that wants this PM me and I will send you a copy of it. It is just a simple Excel file. It's useful when you start plugging in numbers for Overlap and valve events. It's also useful to put to use info I will share.

 

[sideactiondiesel]

It's just education. We all have to learn. I learn everyday

No Chris everyone is an expert . Again thank you Chris for your help and amazing attitude !

 

[Straubtech]

13.5 hours is enough today. I'm gettin' in my 6.7 King Ranch and going home.

 

[Straubtech]

No Chris everyone is an expert . Again thank you Chris for your help and amazing attitude !

I will call you tomorrow.

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

I like the way you think.



History of cams...I love this stuff...

Advertised duration....Anyone know the history of why we call it this? The seat duration was the number that was used to Advertise the camshaft in the old performance catalogs. Now this was an issue since Crane was at .004 and Isky and Erson were at .006". Crane always had the bigger number. So around the late 50's early 60's at the Nationals in Indy the 3 of them sat down and talked about this. They wanted a tappet height number to compare cams at. .050" was selected.



So as Morgan has pointed out....050" numbers mean NOTHING. It is a reference point used for MARKETING. If you want the meat of a camshaft you need the events and lobe area.

It's all marketing.

And yes, most people do not understand lobe separation, intake centerline, ramp rate etc... That is why it is important to buy from someone who is knowledgable.

Unfortunately most selling do not have a clue. And honestly, most of these "kids" never had to deal with naturally aspirated or even gas engines.. When we started turning 540's 8500 rpm years ago people though that was stupid and a waste... Funny how things change and people can evolve and get with the times.

Make a naturally aspirated, iron head BBF run 1000hp on a single dominator and cast intake... on gas... Lol, oooh the fun days. There wasn't and never will be a "box" cam for any gas engines I build... But that's a whole different world.




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[Halestorm55]

It's all marketing.

And yes, most people do not understand lobe separation, intake centerline, ramp rate etc... That is why it is important to buy from someone who is knowledgable.

Unfortunately most selling do not have a clue. And honestly, most of these "kids" never had to deal with naturally aspirated or even gas engines.. When we started turning 540's 8500 rpm years ago people though that was stupid and a waste... Funny how things change and people can evolve and get with the times.

Make a naturally aspirated, iron head BBF run 1000hp on a single dominator and cast intake... on gas... Lol, oooh the fun days. There wasn't and never will be a "box" cam for any gas engines I build... But that's a whole different world.




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Exactly! Been into it since I was little. Gramps has been running 385 blocks since I was born and FE's before that. He is 75 and just this last year added nos to get into the 8's on a 540. Car runs mid 9's on the motor. Been 3 years since the engine has been apart and its getting pulled apart for new bearings and to check clearances. Good components working together can do great things. He makes 150+ passes a year.

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[Straubtech]

It's all marketing.

And yes, most people do not understand lobe separation, intake centerline, ramp rate etc... That is why it is important to buy from someone who is knowledgable.

Unfortunately most selling do not have a clue.
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That's why I feel it is important to educate them on why. I don't have an engineering background, just many good teachers. I been taught this stuff in a "dumb down" version that I can understand. In return I have a very easy time of explaining this stuff in simple terms that most can understand.

I'm looking forward to this niche in performance motorsports. I think it is cool as this is only time I have ever felt a customer can have his cake and eat it too....meaning....you can street drive, pull, and drag race the same vehicle without changing the mechanical aspects of the said vehicle. Each application will just need its own tune to perform the task.

 

[Straubtech]

I spoke with Zeb at Southern KY Diesel and he is working on 6.0L that will be a daily driver cam swap only truck that he dyno'd before he tore it apart. Should have dyno numbers on it in the coming weeks.

Working with Swamps on 7.3L program. Engineering is done on the new core for the 7.3L Powerstroke core and I have heads coming for cam development. These cores will also be supplied to other companies for their own camshaft development.

 

[jester2011]

I recently spoke with Chris from Straubtech about the 6.0 and 6.4 cams they are producing. I've dealt with cams in cam specs in the gas world for some time now and have a good idea on how to us the numbers to get what I want out of an engine. It seems in a forced induction world it is not that difficult to get a cam to do exactly what needs to be done. In the gas world we have almost unlimited combination of cam and heads to achieve our goals and to produce the characteristics of how we want the engine to preform. After speaking with Chris I have received quite an education on how his cams and the cams he is supplying to Side Action Diesel are going to work. It was quite amazing taking with him, I now understand what he is trying to do and I have to say I feel it is going to be a game changer in the diesel world. Please feel free to get ahold of Chris and talk to him he is very informative and a very nice guy.

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[sideactiondiesel]

I now understand what he is trying to do and I have to say I feel it is going to be a game changer in the diesel world.

When I first had contacted chris I started explaining what we wanted and some of the things I felt were lacking with the current options offered. We even asked manufactures to change things for us and fell on def ears and was replied to as " why would you want to do that " type situation . Me being short tempered and not needing the drama that our lovely community exhibits and turning things into a pissing match.... I had contacted Chris and it was then my 5 min convo to figure I would get shot down yet once again turned into a complete agreeance on what we where asking for and from then on after our 1.5 hr convo had made me realize that there are some good ppl Like Chris that are out there . Just cause they are not on the cover of billboard every week doesn't mean that they dont have the knowledge to make things great!


Im not on this forum to show that im the brightest crayon in the box nor do I claim to be. But I do feel passionate about my business and the products I sell and design. I do not want to sell a ton of crap I want to sell things that work and prove themselves other then getting on the forum and commenting like a child on everything just to hear myself talk as you can tell by my post count. But what I can tell you guys when your buying from me is that I want it to run just as good as the stuff we put together here in the shop and giving you guys the best data we can on the products we sell to my customers. but I am not going to give my business away to do so and that I feel is just respectful to me or any of the reputable vendors on here.



SO LETS GET THESE CAMS GOING AND LETS SEE YOUR FEEDBACK!!

 

[Inwayovermyhead]

Spoke with Chris (who I already know his reputation, drove/rode in cars with his cams including Drag Week) yesterday in depth and ordered my 6.0 stock head cam. Mine is not a max effort program, but I am encouraged by his predictions of faster spooling, lower EGT's, all within the same stock rpm range but making power faster. I have been planning on getting a ported intake but that might night even be necessary (for my goals) with this cam. We'll see...

Chris... Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions. It was a pleasure talking with you.

 

[Straubtech]

Spoke with Chris (who I already know his reputation, drove/rode in cars with his cams including Drag Week) yesterday in depth and ordered my 6.0 stock head cam. Mine is not a max effort program, but I am encouraged by his predictions of faster spooling, lower EGT's, all within the same stock rpm range but making power faster. I have been planning on getting a ported intake but that might night even be necessary (for my goals) with this cam. We'll see...

Chris... Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions. It was a pleasure talking with you.

I appreciate the kind words. This is going to be fun. All cams in the next production run are sold.

 

[AirFishAutomotive]

so any more results......its been 3 weeks