Billet vs. Batmo

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Batmowheels are overhyped wheels that dont flow as much as normal billet wheel from say precesion or garrett. Tadd from Elite has proven it.

Here Tadds precesion with billet wheel vs bullseye/batmo dyno chart.

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IMO batmowheels are too expensive for a crappy wheel and almost nothing to show for what your paying for.
This graph was running extreme street. Once extreme race was loaded, the differential was larger. Peak power favored the precision by 27 horse, and 100 horsepower at 4,000 rpms. Once more fuel was added the bullseye didn't perform as well.
 

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It was just a suggestion based on what you were looking for as far as faster spool up.

Honestly for most people tow powers will support thirty hp goals for a long time. Solid clean 600 with stock fuel. 650 with 60 nozzles and just under 700 with 110s all super streetable and fun

Thanks and appreciate your input. I know you had issues w/ builds and you've experienced some ideas of what will work and what wont, so please understand I'm really trying to pick your brain on the matter. Remember that silly late 70's/early 80s' commercial "knowledge is power".

110's would be stupid fun but i'm soooo trying to avoid adding dual fuelers, etc..
Any thoughts on the 71 vs the tows for me? I get sponatniously stupid sometimes and I nearly jumped on the 71mm group buy that was pending but was afraid that it wouldn't be the best for my situation.
 

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For myself, it isn't a matter of getting the 71 then batmo-ing it. It is a matter if is it worth the $$ for the 71 vs getting a batmo for my stock charger. As i'm reading the previous posts and threads I'm getting that others are viewing options of the 71mm OR the batmo, not necessarily a combo of both. The batmo just seems to be a low cost option for the ave joe who could careless about horsepower/bench racing and just needs to get the kids to school and maybe tow the camper on the weekend.

As doing both, w/ not knowing too much about either, but enough to know that the 71+batmo would be a waste.

How does the 71mm improve driveablity for the ave guy? I will likely never see a track and for just driving myself to my desk job everyday and the occassional road trip, I"m questioning why I'd want to spend 7500 for HP vs the 1300 for the 71mm or the 400 for the batmo. I want quality but why not have a REASONABLE option for those w/ limited funds or don't care about the big topend that highpowers may bring.

Not to derail but you mentioned the highpowers as an option for my setup, why the highpowers vs the 71? I"m trying to see why one would be better than another?

Pm me if you have questions, but let's keep this focused on billet vs batmo.
 

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What's some more specs on the graph.. like what turbos from each company, it still isn't apples to apples unless it is the same turbo that gets the two different wheel put into it....hopefully rcd will put out graphs soon, I think the billet will win but I'm still interested
 

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What's some more specs on the graph.. like what turbos from each company, it still isn't apples to apples unless it is the same turbo that gets the two different wheel put into it....hopefully rcd will put out graphs soon, I think the billet will win but I'm still interested

One was a ball bearing full precision 75mm the other was a double bat 475 with that fancy cover. Best of the best from each company turbine wheels were almost identical size too. Same truck same dyno same day
 

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What's some more specs on the graph.. like what turbos from each company, it still isn't apples to apples unless it is the same turbo that gets the two different wheel put into it....hopefully rcd will put out graphs soon, I think the billet will win but I'm still interested

It's kind of different grounds on ours. We went about having the batmowheel because of the claims that the billet 7 blade wheel was not as well flowing as say the precision 6 blade. We haven't tested the 2 wheels (precision vs ours), but supposedly, elite did this a while back, netting results significantly favoring the precision wheel. No use in reinventing the wheel, so we went a different route. I've maxed out air on my set up, so hopefully this will help some.
 

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I'm not sure where I heard it Steve, been a Looooong time since that initial discussion. I do know Jeff & myself have talked about this quite a few times, discussion options and opinions.

From my understanding didn't elite used to use a 7 blade wheel, then after testing proved a higher flow rate on the precision 6 blade, decide to use that wheel? It makes sense. I know I've maxed mine out, and will probably be putting the 71mm drop ins we worked with Bill on in to see if it really makes a huge difference, or if we're all pissing in the wind you know?

What's your .02 on the situation ?

Nvm.. Your post disappeared
 

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I'm not sure where I heard it Steve, been a Looooong time since that initial discussion. I do know Jeff & myself have talked about this quite a few times, discussion options and opinions.

From my understanding didn't elite used to use a 7 blade wheel, then after testing proved a higher flow rate on the precision 6 blade, decide to use that wheel? It makes sense. I know I've maxed mine out, and will probably be putting the 71mm drop ins we worked with Bill on in to see if it really makes a huge difference, or if we're all pissing in the wind you know?

What's your .02 on the situation ?

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Yea you right initially they used a different wheel and then switched to the current wheel.

Are we pissing in the wind with these set ups maybe but an additional 20 hp would go along way to a guy.

Gotta remember from tow powers to the next level is very expensive! Tow powers are what 3200 bucks? Next step is at least 5500 even for a single set up or 6500 for compounds so if a guy can get right at the 700 hp level spend an additional 400 bucks plus labor... there in everytime rather than an aditoonal 6000 that can be somewhat offset by reselling parts. You get my drift?

I totoally see why you guys are doing the atmosphere upgrade... you found a better wheel to offer people if they want it... nothing wrong with that
 

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I'm not sure where I heard it Steve, been a Looooong time since that initial discussion. I do know Jeff & myself have talked about this quite a few times, discussion options and opinions.

From my understanding didn't elite used to use a 7 blade wheel, then after testing proved a higher flow rate on the precision 6 blade, decide to use that wheel? It makes sense. I know I've maxed mine out, and will probably be putting the 71mm drop ins we worked with Bill on in to see if it really makes a huge difference, or if we're all pissing in the wind you know?

What's your .02 on the situation ?

Nvm.. Your post disappeared

Lol, I was so confused reading between your other thread and this one. I had forty edits so i chopped it.

The original set used a k31 wheel from what I understand. Its a direct bolt on. Shaft sizes are identical and makes drop in upgrades easy so cost is down since the wheels are cheap and they can be had pretty easy. Industrial uses it. I was going to use a k31 based wheel in an Atmo but the turbo builder of the charger I run on my truck couldn't make it happen so I had to shelf it. Regardless, the new wheel from Precision is supposed to outflow the previous model but JD, or Tadd will have to comment on that as I don't have the numbers.

My take on the whole Batmo deal is that its an idea off something entirely different that has been incorporated to these chargers in the effort to make something new. While Im all for new and innovative things, I just can't for the life of me be happy with leaving power on the table at peak RPM. Especially when we are talking 25hp+.... Im too greedy for that. Im not trying to dog anybody here either so don't take it that way. I understand your guys stance. I just know that there has been more than one turbo shop that I've talked with whose seen loses in power switching between a standard billet wheel in a batmo. They all did say, interestingly enough, that the Batmo made peak power sooner in the RPM range than its billet counter part but it never could make the same peak number. Always came up short.

My thing with the batmo's here is that people are using them in a variety of applications now. My biggest gripe is stock turbo's like the 7.3's and 6.0's, 6.6's and 5.9's, etc., I do not see how dropping $400 on a wheel plus labor and balancing fee's is a step in the right direction when that money could be put down on an upgrade turbo from you guys or other shops like Elite, PTP. It too me is a poor mans gimmick. Thats just my take though. Im different than the average consumer too and I have spent enough money doing stuff like that in my years to know that I'd have been better off in the long run to buy what I needed, what was the best purchase in the long run, because I would've saved money and been ahead for it. Live and learn though.
 
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Elite did previously use the k31 in the tow powers. I have no numbers (Tadd will have to chime in) but I know that the precision wheel we use now moves more air. I would like to see some results between the batmo and precision billet.

I was hoping the guys at Mpd could chime in with some experience or insight on the batmowheel. Very few people know the ins and outs of them and I know they have a lot of time in with them.
 

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I'm not sure where I heard it Steve, been a Looooong time since that initial discussion. I do know Jeff & myself have talked about this quite a few times, discussion options and opinions.

From my understanding didn't elite used to use a 7 blade wheel, then after testing proved a higher flow rate on the precision 6 blade, decide to use that wheel? It makes sense. I know I've maxed mine out, and will probably be putting the 71mm drop ins we worked with Bill on in to see if it really makes a huge difference, or if we're all pissing in the wind you know?

What's your .02 on the situation ?

Nvm.. Your post disappeared

I'm really interested to see what you find Jared. You're correct on the wheels though. A stock housing comparison should be a good apples to apples deal. Too bad those turbos are such a pain to swap.
 

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I will be doing actual track testing with 75 cast and 75 billet and already have batmo numbers
 

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