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I thought it was 1,300-1,400??

But honestly on my 7.3 I pull trailers for hours at a time with the 1,600 degree pyro burried past the last number... 195k miles at 452hp and no problems as of yet...


To make sure I am reading this right. Your engine has 195K on it. It is now making 452 HP and you have since the power upgrade spent HOURS and HOURS consistently while towing with the pyro gauge buried past 1600 degree?


How many miles do you have on it since you started spending hours with the egts over 1600 degrees? I see a pistons with holes in them in your future.
 

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To make sure I am reading this right. Your engine has 195K on it. It is now making 452 HP and you have since the power upgrade spent HOURS and HOURS consistently while towing with the pyro gauge buried past 1600 degree?


How many miles do you have on it since you started spending hours with the egts over 1600 degrees? I see a pistons with holes in them in your future.

Ya, I call Bull roar !
 

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You are misinformed that egts can not stay in a very safe range regardless of the load placed against it. It is a matter of correct tuning. No matter how big the injector and even with turbos no larger than stock a tuner can set the tune so no matter how hard you are into the pedal regardless of load it will never go over 1200. The only exception might be where you purposely lug out the engine. But if a person has a clue how to drive with a load no way.

Think about its a matter of fuel to air rato and then factored by load and boost. Since a tuner can get even 400% nozzle injectors to idle how could it ever need less that that.. so if it can go that low in fuel delievery anything over it is just a matter of getting the correct balance.

I can think of a few trucks even with 238z100 and only a 38r that never go over 1200 even with heavy loads and steep grades.

I suggest if your tunes are by one of the vendors on here you give them a call and get them tweaked and if not switch to one of them. I can highly recommend Matt@Gearhead Automotive.

You ned to keep an eye on your egts until then and do what you have to kep them under 1250 MAX at this point so no more damage is done.
 

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Being in Albuquerque, he is 6k ft. Above sea level and much higher in some places. I say let him keep on truckin'...if hes seriously being honest, as dumb as he may be for doing that, im impressed....say hes put 40k miles on it like that...while not being destined for a long life, that blows the **** out of the 1250 rule of thumb. Ive pulled passes at 1400 before. If im going to be pulling a long grade, then it stays 1200-1300...but hammering down on flat ground and a good rolling hill or something pops up....1400 or so for 10-40 seconds isnt going to hurt anything.

I dont know if the factory ecm tuning defuels, but i keep having this thought of 75 year old Grandpa pulling his 12k lb fifth wheel all over the country with blown out uppipe donuts, and exposing his engine to the sky high egt's that can come with that, and not even knowing it.
 

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It has a 6 pos chip tuned by Tony Wildman.

And I'm not blowing smoke out of my azz lol I've had friends go with me places and ask about it and I say just don't look at it. I think I have a picture of my turbo glowing red/orange somewhere actually...

And I miss stated my first post. Its not above 1,600 for hours and hours but it certainly pegs out quite often when I'm pulling. Normal daily driving is up there a little bit to but not over 1,000. But I'm the guy thats pulling anywhere from 15k-35k at 85mph with the AC on. I just feel like these trucks have a lot more in them than they get credit for.

Hell even my dads 550 7.3 with just an exhaust and edge evolution on tow gets the pyro to 1,200-1,400 constantly while pulling...
 

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Which tune are you towing in?? Id get my tunes reburned. You may go thousands more mikes without failure, im not gonna knock you for doing what youre doing. I love seeing stuff pushed to the limits...but *** christ that is gonna be an expensive oops when it blows up. Id rather sling rods through blicks in my race cars, something i dont have to deoend on, and can take the downtime to build it bigger and better after it pops.
 

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Position 4 lol It's the one that was labeled tow when I ordered it...

And I do push my trucks to the limit and horse beat them every chance I get thats for sure. I don't expect them to blow up but I guess I won't surprised when it does happen...
 

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I've hit 1600 quite a few times on the shift when racing.

I've also pulled a 10k trailer over Mt. Hood with the EGT's at 1250 for 10 minutes or longer.

The ol stage 2's know how to warm the 7.3 up with a stock turbo.

Now, the S468 doesn't seem to have that issue....... LOL
 

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I try to never run more than 1250*F constant in a 7.3, not afraid to go into the 1400-1600*F EGT range merging onto an interstate or pulling a grade. Once merged, or at the top of the grade - you are no longer accelerating and the EGTs cool way off. The problem is heat saturation.

I've also buried 2200*F pyros like its my job for 10 seconds or so every weekend pulling - sure the pistons are coated - but they look fantastic. I actually had more of a problem with the valves getting hot with the high spring pressures I used causing the head of the valve to deform a little in a couple of cylinders.

Take it for what its worth - but don't do anything you don't feel comfortable with. EGTs take a little experience and common sense - you just can't make a rule like never go above 1250*F or you will melt it down - its just not true. You also can't run 1600* for minutes on end without issues either. Get a good cruise EGT setup as low as you can for the load and speed (I have yet to see a load that I couldn't cruise with at 1100* EGTs max) - then the only time you will exceed that is when passing, merging, going up a hill, etc.... then you have to use your judgement as to how hard and how far to push it.
 

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I try to never run more than 1250*F constant in a 7.3, not afraid to go into the 1400-1600*F EGT range merging onto an interstate or pulling a grade. Once merged, or at the top of the grade - you are no longer accelerating and the EGTs cool way off. The problem is heat saturation.

I've also buried 2200*F pyros like its my job for 10 seconds or so every weekend pulling - sure the pistons are coated - but they look fantastic. I actually had more of a problem with the valves getting hot with the high spring pressures I used causing the head of the valve to deform a little in a couple of cylinders.

Take it for what its worth - but don't do anything you don't feel comfortable with. EGTs take a little experience and common sense - you just can't make a rule like never go above 1250*F or you will melt it down - its just not true. You also can't run 1600* for minutes on end without issues either. Get a good cruise EGT setup as low as you can for the load and speed (I have yet to see a load that I couldn't cruise with at 1100* EGTs max) - then the only time you will exceed that is when passing, merging, going up a hill, etc.... then you have to use your judgement as to how hard and how far to push it.

Exactly!! The only reason I see such high temps so frequently is because of where I live and pull trailers. Every direction but one out of the Albuquerque area requires climbing a mountain to leave lol Hence the land of entrapment nickname
 

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My 6.0 was running in the 1100-1450 range from albuquerque to flagstaff on the way to ddn 2 years ago in phoenix.... drove the truck for 55k miles after that before she gave up.... blown hgs and it got hot driving to work one morning... not blown up but its not running great at 265k

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I thought it was 1,300-1,400??

But honestly on my 7.3 I pull trailers for hours at a time with the 1,600 degree pyro burried past the last number... 195k miles at 452hp and no problems as of yet...

Note to self...

Never ever let this guy behind the wheel of anything I value. Your logic is just plain dumb, but hey, whatever floats your boat!

As for me, I don't go over 1200* constant. My personal preference. Occasionally, it'll get to anywhere from 1250 to 1350* and I back it down immediately so no more than a couple of seconds. Pulling a load, I'm very diligent bout it. I figure even if the motor can handle 1250 to 1300* constant, that's fine but this way I have some cushion. Again, just my thing.
 

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Exactly!! only reason I see such high temps so frequently is because of where I live and pull trailers. Every direction but one out of the Albuquerque area requires climbing a mountain to leave lol Hence the land of entrapment nickname


Hold on. Exactly what are you stating "Exactly" to in agreement with what HTR has said and agrees with what you have been doing? I see nothing that is in agreement with what you are doing. What HTR is saying in no way matchs up with your comments of what you have posted.

Lets break it down:

You stated you have your 1600 gauge pegged past its max reading at first for hours on end. Then you stated that actually it was not that way constantly and that in fact there were just many times it was pegged like that during hours on end of driving. But that it never saw under 1200 degree that entire time of driving hours and hours. The time in those drives that it stayed pegged well over 1600 degree was for durations of 10-15 minutes at a time and there were multiples of those during these hours of over 1200 degree constant.

I mean it's not pegged for 2 hours straight but it doesn't go under 1,200 ever unless it's down hill. It only pegs out for 5-10 mins at a time over and over again.


I mean it's not pegged for 2 hours straight but it doesn't go under 1,200 ever unless it's down hill. It only pegs out for 5-10 mins at a time over and over again.

I think I have a picture of my turbo glowing red/orange somewhere actually...

This is exactly what HRT is staying NOT to do. You have your pistons heat soaked to over 1200 degrees for hours and then you are running it up to well over 1600 degrees for 5-10 mins at a time over and over. That is more then enough time to heat soak it to those temps by itself but you already had the pistons good and hot staying somewhere over 1200 degrees consistently so it gets up to higher temps that much faster.

I try to never run more than 1250*F constant in a 7.3, not afraid to go into the 1400-1600*F EGT range merging onto an interstate or pulling a grade. Once merged, or at the top of the grade - you are no longer accelerating and the EGTs cool way off. The problem is heat saturation.

I've also buried 2200*F pyros like its my job for 10 seconds or so every weekend pulling - sure the pistons are coated - but they look fantastic. I actually had more of a problem with the valves getting hot with the high spring pressures I used causing the head of the valve to deform a little in a couple of cylinders.

Take it for what its worth - but don't do anything you don't feel comfortable with. EGTs take a little experience and common sense - you just can't make a rule like never go above 1250*F or you will melt it down - its just not true. You also can't run 1600* for minutes on end without issues either. Get a good cruise EGT setup as low as you can for the load and speed (I have yet to see a load that I couldn't cruise with at 1100* EGTs max) - then the only time you will exceed that is when passing, merging, going up a hill, etc.... then you have to use your judgement as to how hard and how far to push it.


What everyone else that is pulling high temps is talking about is just doing it for a few SECONDS. Going from cool to hot and then right back down so the actual temp the pistons get to thru and thru is much lower.



The reasons you are seeing such high temps is you are running tunes that are pushing to much fuel or whatever the reason for your altitude and towing conditions. Point is you are acting like its the reason is environmental need use of your truck and out of the control of the engine and that is just not the case. The engine can be tuned to take into account how you are using your truck. There is nothing good about melting your pistons. Certainly nothing to brag about.

This has nothing to do with a engine has more in than people think. You can look at countless pictures of pistons that have been melted from running downing the strip or pulling track at the same temps you are speaking of. Its only a matter of time. There is a reason people building performance engines are having their pistons coated.

Maybe your gauge or pyro is faulty and reading unusually high otherwise I can not see how you are not completely trashing your pistons and valves running countless 10-15 mins runs well over 1600 degrees and countless hours on end of temps over 1200 degrees.
 
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I haven't read the whole thread but, while the pistons are out, would it be a good idea to ceramic coat them?
 

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So besides the crazy bastard. You guys say 1250 constant is Max? But bursts higher are fine too?
 

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Exactly!! The only reason I see such high temps so frequently is because of where I live and pull trailers. Every direction but one out of the Albuquerque area requires climbing a mountain to leave lol Hence the land of entrapment nickname


Same issue here, I run the same hills, but you have an issue you need to find, either an inaccurate pyro, boost/drive leaks, or poor tuning. I can pull Sedillo with my slide in camper, and the Jeep on the trailer @ about 16K. Never kick out of OD at 70mph and never go over 1200 the whole way up. Same story on La Bajada going to Santa Fe. That's with gearhead tunes.

You really need to look at your pyro and if it's correct try a different set of tunes.

Whats your coolant gauge show? Every 7.3 stroke I've seen on long pulls 1250 or higher ends up backing out toward the top because the coolant gauge starts pushing hot because the oil cooler is doing its job.
 
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