HIGHTEST RWHP ON STOCK INJECTORS

windrunner408

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Waiting on track mph coupled with vehicle weight....

With nitrous and stock injectors I was putting out about 550rwhp (7000lbs @ 105mph) so the fuel is certainly there.

Also, I wouldn't say it "would've" made 500 until it actually does. Just a suggestion. ;)

Sound like the turbos are working well though.

See if it were me I'd tell you to either pound sand, take my numbers for what they were worth, or go get a turbo and run it with your truck on a track yourself.

I get what guys are getting at with only using dyno numbers and not providing any track numbers, which is why I say to ONLY use a verified and respectable dyno w/ respectable dyno operator (which to me is Bill at PHP). I say this because calculators can vary by at least 15hp which still has to be taken with a grain of salt IMO. So at the end of the day some can say "only track results for me" and others can say "a dyno number is good enough for me". I know for me, I am not an experienced track racer so whatever results I got with my truck on the track may or may not be the actual power my truck is capable of producing so for me I would rather have a respectable dyno operator tell me what I am making and call it a day. JMO.

Yes I agree as well that the 500hp title should be reserved until the turbos actually produce that.
 

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You can tell me to pound sand all you want. Dynos lie; the track doesn't. Unless you actually break the trap speed and a VERIFIED weight aren't going to lie. I don't even need to get into all the variables of dynos; it's been shown over and over again. I'm not saying he lied are manipulated anything, I'm saying I'd like to see some track numbers to BACK UP the dyno numbers. That's all.

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You can tell me to pound sand all you want. Dynos lie; the track doesn't. Unless you actually break the trap speed and a VERIFIED weight aren't going to lie. I don't even need to get into all the variables of dynos; it's been shown over and over again. I'm not saying he lied are manipulated anything, I'm saying I'd like to see some track numbers to BACK UP the dyno numbers. That's all.

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Not to start anything or call anyone a liar but I agree with Danny here. This is so true. I had a 6.0 on the dyno a very sick not running very well 6.0. Just playing around on the dyno I could vary the horsepower reading from 320-450 rwhp. This was a mustang dyno. But I did this just playing around with the load a little.
 

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I got ya man. I didnt mean to be offensive and am sorry if it was taken that way. All I was trying to get at was for me I would be satisfied with what a reputable dyno operator/owner told me as opposed to that and going to the track just back up his dyno. So I would just tell everyone to take my number FWIW because I dont plan to ever take my truck to the track. I guess since we are seeing what could possibly be the highest numbers ever for a stock injector truck, these numbers should probably be verified just to remove all doubt.
 

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Not to start anything or call anyone a liar but I agree with Danny here. This is so true. I had a 6.0 on the dyno a very sick not running very well 6.0. Just playing around on the dyno I could vary the horsepower reading from 320-450 rwhp. This was a mustang dyno. But I did this just playing around with the load a little.

I hear this for sure and COMPLETELY agree, which is why I keep screaming a "reputable dyno AND operator/owner" like Bill is good enough for ME. JMO guys.
 

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Here's what I know.... at our last dyno event with Bill at PHP I made 451rwhp, shortly after I ran a 14.1 and some change at a hair over 95mph with the truck weighing approx. 7750. Bill's dyno is accurate. With that being said, I that track times to back up numbers are important in most cases as they are here. I understand the skepticism on this, but the facts are that I just dynoed yesterday and the truck was having issues. I would like you guys to consider these numbers accurate, but I can't help it if you don't. I know what the truck has in it. We are using the dyno time we have to get any bugs worked out (like I experienced yesterday) so lets use the huge amount of knowledge here at PSA to help me get my boost issue fixed and then we'll try it again on the dyno. When I'm happy with my numbers on Bill's dyno and feel that there is no more power left in the stock fuel injectors, I'll give you the track times. But until I'm happy with what it has on the dyno, I'm not running it down the track. No need to break anything just yet.

After we establish the maximum we feel is possible from this turbo and everyone (or at least everyone who will) accepts the numbers, I'm gonna give JJ at Dozer's Diesel a call and get some 155's or 175's. For right now though the dyno numbers are what you get.

On to the problem with boost I'm having. I'll tell the whole story and let anyone who wishes to offer an opinion chime in. OK, about 6 weeks ago my LiveWire died while the truck was getting the powder coating done on the IC piping. I sent it back to SCT and they fixed it, but in the process they had erase everything on it. That meant I had no more stock file. The truck had the SPD loaded when the SCT died so thats what it recognized as my stock file when I got it back and reloaded my tunes. This was all well and good as long as I was running some version of the SPD tune, but when Vivian sent me the new Looney Wild to try, things started getting weird. Adrian and I think that since I can't go back to a true stock Ford file before loading a new tune, they are somewhat over lapping each other and confusing the piss outta the ECM. Add to that the massive amount of air the 4088 was moving at WOT and the ECM is just to confused to keep up, so it cuts boost and fuel. SCT can rewrite a stock file for my truck but it takes time and I havn't had any of that. I originally thought, why do I need the Ford file? I've got different tunes for every situation. What I failed to realize was that you need the stock file to program back to before loading a completely different tune. All these tunes are written from the stock files as a base, and trying to rewrite the ECM when it isn't stock apparently FUBAR's stuff. Like I said though, everything was fine as long as I was running Chris's tunes, but when I tried Vivian's (no fault of Vivian at all, they are just totally different tunes), it started acting up. Im gonna call SCT on Monday and get a stock file back. I'm also gonna pull my MAP,EBP and MAF sensors as well as reload a stock tune and get this figured out. Bill showed me on the data logs of the dyno pulls that my VGT duty cycle was falling off to <15% after 2400rpm. I have to believe 10+psi of boost is worth another 10rwhp at least, especially since it was smoking on the dyno and its been very clean. I guess its easier to see smoke at 0mph than 85mph, but this was more smoke than the last time we dynoed. As soon as the rain lets up, I'll start tearing this thing down and getting some answers. Whats really weird is that after installing Bills stock turbo, I blew a boot off on the interstate on my way home, at 40+ psi of boost. Then after reinstalling it and driving a while it wouldn't break 28psi. Today its down to around 24-26psi when we were going to Mother's Day lunch and hit 30+psi on the way home. Something is not running right. I also need to drop some line pressure on my 3-5shift, unrelated to the boost issue, but needs to be done after the GoGo solenoid install. Let me know if you guys have any idea's on what else I might need to check.

My main goal here is to push my stock injectors to the limit. Not what is considered the limit right now, but the actual limit. I don't know where that is, but I aim to find it. With this turbo, and tuners like Bill@PHP, Chris@TSD and Vivian@Quick tricks I believe 500 is attainable. I also agree with Windrunner408 that the 500 HP title should be reserved until the dyno chart shows 500rwhp.
 
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What should also be noted is the fact that the 475hp truck had the LLY durastroke WITH a batmowheel and it still came up 10hp short (so it could have not done as well if it had a cast wheel instead) of the Stage 2.

So there's still no real numbers for a "plain jane" Stage 1 Durastroke turbo....interesting this fact was left out of the OP.
 

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Lol @all the skeptics
Great job Matt, Adrian and everyone involved in this project
Can't wait to throw some fuel at the big boy :)
 

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So there's still no real numbers for a "plain jane" Stage 1 Durastroke turbo....interesting this fact was left out of the OP.
Look man, we're doing our best to put the numbers out there. I personally don't think the Bat-mo-wheel does anything for max numbers. I think all of its benefits are on the low rpm side and with torque, even then I don't think it's worth the money but thats just my opinion. We'll get you some Stage 1 (cast wheel) numbers. There are a ****load of them out there being run all over the country as we speak.
 

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With 155 stock nozzles and a stage 2 it will be a fun , mild temp 500 rwhp dd setup.
 

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Just being realistic and trying to get all the facts on the table and back up the results with as much data as possible.

I agree with this. You need all the data possible, but sometimes you have to use what you have to work with. We're doing our best, we all have real jobs (though we'd much rather be doing thisLOL) and have to make money to spend on all these go fast parts.:doh:

So any ideas on my boost issue?
 

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lets see some before and after track times, ive beaten 490rwhp dmaxs with my 6.0, dyno numbers are just numbers. no offense. how much faster do you think my truck would go running one of these at the track? 13.1?
 

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IMO I like to see dyno numbers AND track speeds to compare with the same exact setup.


Precisely.


Look man, we're doing our best to put the numbers out there.


And I (and I think everyone else) realizes that. I know it's a new product so it's gonna take a little time for the different numbers and tests to come out that people are looking for. Goodness knows i went thru the same thing with my Procharger set-up. Gave every number possible EXCEPT a dyno, so naturally that's all anyone was concerned with. LOL

But it'll come. As more people dyno or go to the track or whatever, the numbers should start to match up and show what it really does.

As I said earlier, sounds like it's doing well so far. Just that some of us could care less about a dyno and want to see what it'll do on the track. :D But I know that'll just take a little time for someone to make it out there.

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