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I have held back and had to get off psa so many times lol. Its a much bigger deal than people see. I have had so many calls with people that get bad info and spend tons of money on products they cant use or regret buying. I could turn my head like everyone else and let it go. Maybe jump on the bandwagon and start selling injectors, ect... I just cant do it. I paid for a few sets of injectors back when they were 2-3k a set before elite started helping me out. Tadd shared his knowledge and secrets with me cause there wasn't enough time for him to send me all the different sets of injectors I tried. I machine mine myself and have been asked to do it by others. Not happening. People may take offense to that, if you do well then good. You should lol
 

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Holy Crap!!! I just read through 15 pages of this stuff hoping to learn more about different injector companies...

I want to thank Jared at RCD for providing good info on this thread :thumbup:



Don't mean to stir the pot again but after reading everything I had to comment :swordfight:
Powerstroked162 seems like he is super knowledgeable, really knows his stuff, usually helps out a ton on this site but did not bother to read what other members were posting or just simply read how he wanted.

Sounds like windrunner and toomuch03 were not not putting or promoting any company (at least when the arguing started and before examples were demanded). Not sure why powerstroked162 got so defensive for 15 pages of info... :doh:

Sounds like they were simply pointing out (and not to any specific company at the time) that a flow sheet from the same company could have a chance of being dishonest. Said company could easily just send out stock injectors to everyone with preprinted/save/forged/other injector flow sheets to whatever size the customer requested. Simply stating that a company is honest and does a good job simply because of the fact that they send out their own flow sheets seems like a conflict of interest to me.

A flow sheet is better than no flow sheet but if a 3rd party did the flow testing it would put a lot of people at ease.

Also I think 04cr450 was not trying to state that he knows how to make nozzles. He just had a similar question that I do... why is it so expensive to add nozzles to an injector. It does not take much more labor and they can be found for sale between $300-$400 and that's with the nozzle companies making money. If an injector shop made their own injectors it could bring the price down a bunch. I think he was just simply implying that if some companies are able to charge $36 per injector nozzle and still make money... then they cant be that hard to make.




I would love to find a good thread like this where people got on and posted more and better info about all the good companies and what sets them apart
 

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flow sheets make me horny. this thread kills that...

I want to tour RCD's facility now. sounds pretty awesome!

being happy with a shop is where it is at for me. I can deal with shortcomings here and there if the shop is there when I call and has a interest in my truck and the parts I put in it.
 

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Holy Crap!!! I just read through 15 pages of this stuff hoping to learn more about different injector companies...

I want to thank Jared at RCD for providing good info on this thread :thumbup:



Don't mean to stir the pot again but after reading everything I had to comment :swordfight:
Powerstroked162 seems like he is super knowledgeable, really knows his stuff, usually helps out a ton on this site but did not bother to read what other members were posting or just simply read how he wanted.

Sounds like windrunner and toomuch03 were not not putting or promoting any company (at least when the arguing started and before examples were demanded). Not sure why powerstroked162 got so defensive for 15 pages of info... :doh:

Sounds like they were simply pointing out (and not to any specific company at the time) that a flow sheet from the same company could have a chance of being dishonest. Said company could easily just send out stock injectors to everyone with preprinted/save/forged/other injector flow sheets to whatever size the customer requested. Simply stating that a company is honest and does a good job simply because of the fact that they send out their own flow sheets seems like a conflict of interest to me.

A flow sheet is better than no flow sheet but if a 3rd party did the flow testing it would put a lot of people at ease.

Also I think 04cr450 was not trying to state that he knows how to make nozzles. He just had a similar question that I do... why is it so expensive to add nozzles to an injector. It does not take much more labor and they can be found for sale between $300-$400 and that's with the nozzle companies making money. If an injector shop made their own injectors it could bring the price down a bunch. I think he was just simply implying that if some companies are able to charge $36 per injector nozzle and still make money... then they cant be that hard to make.




I would love to find a good thread like this where people got on and posted more and better info about all the good companies and what sets them apart

Exactly.. I have no idea why certain people hear got so defensive... Im just stating what I have seen done in my fathers machine shop, how he does flow readings, makes nozzles, and stating what they cost and if jarrod thought about making there own that's all..... Im not stupid and take offense to that, I work hard, am a successful business owner, and Ive worked on quite of few powerstrokes and have proof of good running engines that ive worked on, and ive seen lots of injectors built first hand- again I am not an injector builder and don't want to me. Just saying what ive seen in the shop.... By the way- If ANYONE is going to the MPD dyno day- they are more than welcome to come see my fathers shop and see boxes of nozzles, etc etc- Its far from a freaking home backyard garage(as stated from a member a couple pages back) that's for sure.......... Anyways not trying to fight here, just glad someone here see what I was trying to say/ask..
 
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I want to also add- Since this is a sensitive topic and sponsors do business here, I am not stating that injector builders rip people off for upgrading nozzles etc etc... This isn't a sales thread, or pushing to make your own nozzle, injector. I think that's why rcd or motox may have got frustrated thinking I was trying to push another way to get a nozzle etc? Not at all. And sorry If that's how you guys took that.
 

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I want to also add- Since this is a sensitive topic and sponsors do business here, I am not stating that injector builders rip people off for upgrading nozzles etc etc... This isn't a sales thread, or pushing to make your own nozzle, injector. I think that's why rcd or motox may have got frustrated thinking I was trying to push another way to get a nozzle etc? Not at all. And sorry If that's how you guys took that.

yeah you just said some whacky $hit, that maybe in your head made sense, but to others it doesnt. my dad does lots of stuff, but i dont claim that i know any of it, even though im around him alot. come in here with your own credentials before you go telling people what you think they should do in terms of building injectors.
 

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whoa^ I did not ever say to anyone on how to build an injector or tell them how to do there job... I am not like that being a "know it all"... Only thing I said that came close to that was asking rcd if they considered making there own nozzles.. Just a common business question.
 

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No point for us right now. The equipment is definitely in our future to have that capability, but we just put up a pretty substantially draining facility, and are trying to recoup some of those expenses. No point in cheaping out on it.. plus there are plenty of affordable quality nozzles out there.

Why break what isnt broken? It wont drive the price down that much anyway.
 
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1: basing any experience of quality injection components from industrial is a joke. Flowed or not.

2: the question of who does good quality injector work was asked. The answer is, quality shops who have a good rep and flow test everything they send out without being dishonest. Eg. Rcd, mpd etc. Anyone who doesn't test is just guessing. Period, end of discussion.

3: if your that worried that you can't trust the shop then by all means have them flowed third party and pay for it. But when I buy them from one of the above mentioned shops I don't have to. Because I know they are right. I don't have to second guess. That why they are reputable, didn't get there by having problems over and over.

4: rcd's injector quality at one time was not the best, like many other second rate shops. What happened? Oh yeah they got a flow bench and quality has drastically improved. Hmmm.....

5: Steve gets a little worked up at these threads. They keep becoming commonplace. "I wanna know who's best, but if you mention any big names then your just a nut swinger". Go buy whatever the f*** you want then, don't listen to guys who have bought 10 to 100's of set of injectors. We don't know anything I guess.

6: any one can theoretically build injectors. I've done quite a few myself. But you know why I don't sell them. I don't have a $50k test bench to back up my quality. I can, and have sent them out and flowed them. Even sent some to rcd. But in the end it's just not feasible to have the quality and productivity to match what some of these shops do without full time injector builders and flow benches. That's why they are good at it and have a good reputation.

7: not all "big name shops" are better, see eg #1 ^^^^^. That's why you asked and we recommended. We've been over this, ten of hundreds of times. But then again I guess we are all just nut swingers because we like our quality tested injectors.

8: once again, like all the other threads like this. Someone will still end up being hard headed and go the other way, just to find out that it didn't work and they should have just contacted a recommended shop. Like ones stated by all the "nut swingers".

9: there could be exceptions based on complete accidental error like mis-packaging that invariably will happen. Human error could alway be a culprit. But generally speaking I have heard very little (or none) horror stories from the "quality" shops sponsoring this site that flow test their injectors. But I would test them if your still worried.

10: if your still reading this by now, then have a nice day! (Didn't have anything else for line #10)
 

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Here is the answer - Buy your injectors from Rcd, Full Force, MPD, Elite, Warren, or Hypermax(not sure they still do them). Plenty of great options, anything else is a crapshoot.
 
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Here is the answer - Buy your injectors from Rcd, Full Force, MPD, Elite, or Hypermax(not sure they still do them). Plenty of great options, anything else is a crapshoot.

I think that should have been the first post of this thread. Note: The post I have quoted, not the previous edited post.
 
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