Racer x transmissions?

[bigrpowr]

Has bts sponsored anyone before?

Just currious

bts sponsored the dieselstop and psn.

 

[TyCorr]

Didnt racerx sponsor psn too?

 

[ActionRick]

Didnt racerx sponsor psn too?

IIRC yes ...

 

[Dieselfever]

Neither Ford Motor Co or International Navistar has sponsored a forum as far as I know. . .


-Michael

 

[TyCorr]

Neither Ford Motor Co or International Navistar has sponsored a forum as far as I know. . .


-Michael

True dat! But sunrise ford dealership did. And you cant mod a ford with another ford since they arent parts.

 

[TyCorr]

To stay on topic, one step closer to deciding whether Im gonna pull the trigger on this or not.

Talked to Ron again at Racerx and he was more worried about me being able to get a set of 300/200's to idle decently and be mostly smokefree than the trans being able to hold an estimated 700hp. Im guessing a set of 300/200's are in between 600-650hp?

Ive got another block located for a true build. I dont think Id care to put the full capacity through my motor. Im really only comfortable with 500, or even 550 with the studs and springs. Anybody running 500+ on a stock FR bottom end? I know people have but I dont know how long they last after that.

Charles runs 600+/- but his compounded truck has a built motor. I also know Aggie ran compounds with 250/200's but I dont know what his was making hp wise.

Guess this 5k dollar trans will take either way.

 

[dmd]

Just wanting to be different for 5K is a bunch of coin. The X trans should hold, a BTS
will hold. For the price you can get one that is completely built(BTS) vs. one mostly built
(X). History vs. Hope

Ya cant beat Brian's warranty. His isnt a rebuild, it is all new parts.

 

[TyCorr]

Just wanting to be different for 5K is a bunch of coin. The X trans should hold, a BTS
will hold. For the price you can get one that is completely built(BTS) vs. one mostly built
(X). History vs. Hope

Ya cant beat Brian's warranty. His isnt a rebuild, it is all new parts.

I have to ask, how do you know that racerx's build for 700 hp isnt all new parts? Because as far as I know the only thing Ill get back is the actual case....everything else is replaced and the internals are ALL custom. You can buy ALL the parts that they use to rebuild your own but when they build(rebuild) a trans they modify the parts that they do sell. In other words just buying their hardware and having GreasyJoe's Transmission Shop put their guts in it is NOT the same thing.

Truthfully, I dont think Id even get my old case back because they told me they machine the inside of the case too and make a custom valvebody for each custom build. My purchase wouldnt be a off the shelfer it'd all be custom.

If you KNOW this isnt true, please speak up! Im all ears. They just didnt lead me to believe what you're saying. In fact, they said their base 'standard' rebuild is free of any stock parts. The input shaft to the output shaft is all made in house and is rated for 400hp or less. Thats moderately more than a 'rebuild' as its rated for almost TWICE the factory rated HP.

Id appreciate a little more on this one!

 

[ActionRick]

Just wanting to be different for 5K is a bunch of coin. The X trans should hold, a BTS
will hold. For the price you can get one that is completely built(BTS) vs. one mostly built
(X). History vs. Hope

Ya cant beat Brian's warranty. His isnt a rebuild, it is all new parts.

You may want to recheck your facts , or lack there of ...

 

[Southmike]

I have emailed raxerx a few times, straight fwd no bs replies, machining case could be anything from a lil bump with a grinder to a lot more machine work, you could prob get your case back but will add time to the build, depending on who builds them, how many etc...calll him up, email see what he says.


Plenty of bts break, but he does have great repair work if you get it back to him...
Never seen anything on x breakage, good or bad.

 

[TyCorr]

You may want to recheck your facts , or lack there of ...

If what he, the guy up there, is saying is true then their transmissions are junk but they are the best custom bs'ers out there.... LOL

Some of the stuff Ron told me that they do just inside the case for the vb had me longing for pictures of one of their customs.

Im kinda lax about the quality here as they told me their limit right now is about 1300 hp buuuut undefined depending on HOW the customer is making the power.

Thing is not every transmission being run is a BTS(again, Im in awe of their work too). Brian Jelich's trans was built by a reputable but not household dieselshop namebrand. Seems to be taking a great deal of abuse.

For anybody who cares to listen, racerx has every confidence in their work. I listened to the terms and conditions of their warranty and unless you have a salvage title or are too stupid to service/ackknowledge potential damage you can do anything you want with the truck! Hook it to a sled and pull until you run out of fuel. As long as you tell them WHAT you want to do in terms of power/tires/lift/usage(drag race/mud/offroad/dunes/dd/sledpull) they will hook you up with a warranty. If you service the trans as instructed and dont obverheat it(duh) you are covered. Pretty common sense. Lenient imho.

 

[TyCorr]

He told me of a few instances where the trans broke and it was due to stupidity and they still fixed it over at racerx.

I dont really care if I get my case back! More of a joke. I think they would take my core and then use a cleaned one and get back to work as they have to put the ext filter on the case. They have seminars from the begin of aug-aug10 so if I want mine before then I have to get them a deposit and they'll build it so it can be shipped whenever.

Plus their price includes a 47k btu cooler, new lines, flexlines and their own proprietary syn fluid, and 6 external filters, enough extra fluid for the first service. Pretty good deal. They also have a national network of authorized dealers who will do the swap for 250-400 bucks and handle any special instructions that have to be addressed after install.

They offered custom electronic tuning if I decide Im not happy with the shifting. Also, they said they would like to talk to my own custom tuner after the install to get updated tunes for the pressures they'd like to see or before they build it so they can make adjustments for the way the tuner appropriates shifts. Sounds pretty thorough!! Id have to be the most gullible person alive for this to be a hoax. Which could be. Ive never done anything like this before so Im green for sure.

They said they'd jump at the chance to build me a custom trans for my lincoln ls project too! Sweet! Sleeved servo bores, three stage valvebody,and infinitely tunable convertor.

 

[Cory S]

hey TyCorr i am glad you talked to Racer X they do provide and do everything they say! they are straight shooter for sure! you will be pleased! i told Jackie you would be calling them. they are good people.

 

[TyCorr]

hey TyCorr i am glad you talked to Racer X they do provide and do everything they say! they are straight shooter for sure! you will be pleased! i told Jackie you would be calling them. they are good people.

Thanks! I was on the phone for two hours and it was mostly bs'ing about cars and work.

 

[genie144]

I went through a similar debate a few years ago when I was deciding on the transmission for my OBS. I decided to go with a used BTS... The decision wasn't based on $. I was not convinced by RacerX that they had a warranty if something happened. I spoke with them on a number of occasions as I was making my decision and every time I wanted to talk specifics of warranty or support after purchase I didn't hear anything that gave me confidence...

I wouldn't hesitate to buy another BTS or JW.

Sam

 

[dmd]

You may want to recheck your facts , or lack there of ...

X probably has all new, but my point is that the X is rated at 700, I believe
BTS is rated at 1000. You are paying pretty much the same price so why
not get even a higher rating and stronger parts? I probably will never even
be at 700, but I know I can go even higher with no issues.

BTS makes only one trans, the very best that he can build. There is no
stage 1-5 where you may have to go back and upgrade to better parts
because you didnt pay extra for them in the first place.

Sure you may have heard a few BTS break, more than X. Because there
are probably a large factor more BTS out there.

Just put the numbers together and see what ya get for what you pay. HP
rating VS $$. I am sure that X builds a great trans, but you may have to
go to stage XXXXX to get what a BTS gives ya with no "stage".

It isnt my money, you will buy what you want and probably be happy. I am
just adding my findings for thought because I always try to get the best
for the money.

 

[ActionRick]

Ron explained that he takes my hp goal and actually builds the trans to hold substantially more than what I ask for so that it will be reliable. During the two years of warranty coverage I can hook it to a sled, a tree, another truck, drag race, or whatever. He said I can upgrade it if I decide to go higher on hp. I actually told them I wanted to run 3-400 cc hybrids and a 200% nozzle and that I was also going to run another stage of induction in front of the 38r and they said "No problem." They apparently have trannys capable of holding over 1000hp.

....

 

[TyCorr]

X probably has all new, but my point is that the X is rated at 700, I believe
BTS is rated at 1000. You are paying pretty much the same price so why
not get even a higher rating and stronger parts? I probably will never even
be at 700, but I know I can go even higher with no issues.

BTS makes only one trans, the very best that he can build. There is no
stage 1-5 where you may have to go back and upgrade to better parts
because you didnt pay extra for them in the first place.

Sure you may have heard a few BTS break, more than X. Because there
are probably a large factor more BTS out there.

Just put the numbers together and see what ya get for what you pay. HP
rating VS $$. I am sure that X builds a great trans, but you may have to
go to stage XXXXX to get what a BTS gives ya with no "stage".

It isnt my money, you will buy what you want and probably be happy. I am
just adding my findings for thought because I always try to get the best
for the money.

First Id like to thank you for posting your opinion! I dont need any reasons TO choose a bts. I KNOW they are a good transmission. I dont know that bts is rated for a thousand? I think they are just built as heavy as Brian can. Id say that is the best and apt way to describe the facts. His own truck has more than a thousand hp so he obviously has breached that or isnt selling the same box he runs personally. I doubt that though.

Secondly, Id like to know where you got your information about racerx? I find much of what you are saying to be untrue. The price I quoted in this thread and the 700hp are MY numbers and have nothing to do with racerx other than they used it as a guideline to build a quote and subsequently the actual trans should I accept the offer. Their standard rebuild is 3550 and is rated for 400hp constant use. Thats not a stock tranny by any means. What that rating means is for two years after purchase that trans is guaranteed to hold 0-400 hp indefinitely. Granted, that assumes you service it and keep an eye on operating temps. I read and had the warranty/terms read to me by Ron and he explained them individually and said "any questions" after each one. There wasnt any hidden material. Most of what I read was "If you take care of this trans and maintain it, monitor its temps and fluid level it'll last for a LONG time." To get back to price and quality, how is 428 dollars more for than a bts getting 'less for your money in terms of hp and #$$$$"? You get all new lines, cooler, and flex lines PLUS enough syn fluid to do a full service. BTS isnt gonna do you that well for 428 dollars. His cooler alone costs a little more than that. You want it installed? New lines too? Waaay over five grand. Who says it'll hold 1000hp? People have blown parts out of them with less than 600hp. That could happen to anyones trans.

3500 is much more affordable for a truck that is only making 400hp or less than bts' 5k dollar install. For under 4k you could have a tranny installed that will serve a stock or mildly modded truck just fine for EVER! I also have been doing research on forums and have yet to find anyone running a fully built custom trans that was built by racerx that has failed outside its intended use or AT ALL for that matter.

Just put the numbers together and see what ya get for what you pay. HP
rating VS $$. I am sure that X builds a great trans, but you may have to
go to stage XXXXX to get what a BTS gives ya with no "stage".

This was the first question I asked. Thats misleading. Anybody capable of building a truck that will be up to that level of power should kinda know after they blew a stock trans up where their mod path is headed, right? I mean you dont buy a stock tranny and then decide, post-haste, to build a 1000hp track machine do you? I suppose if you have no clue what you'll be doing next week much less in two years, then bts unlimited everything is the way to go. If you look at what components you intend to run and do some research you can VERY effectively decide what components you need to enlist to reach that goal. I looked at the new diesels and thought "Hell those are 400 hp outta the box. Put a pipe on it and tune it and you're over 500. Id do those things anyway. Might as well shoot to be higher than tuned new truck." So I decided 600 hp would be a decent compromise. What inj's do you need to get there? Well at least a 200-over nozzle. I decided that Id better get an inj big enough to run a 300-over nozzle on just in case the 200 doesnt cut it. 300/200 is that summation. Is my 38r gonna do anything to clean those up? No but for drivability and overall use a gt47-88 would be an ideal first stage for that setup and give you lagless transition from idle to boosted induction. Id say 650hp is a decent estimate and so I threw 700hp out for my trans to be able to handle. Driving in a 500hp tune for dd'ing isnt going to even work that trans. There is a huuuuge reliability factor involved on racerx's end too. He said it'd realistically hold much more than that as it has to be able to live for at least two years with 700hp going through it towing, dd, and occasionally sled pulling/racing. You think they are gonna sneak me a 500hp trans? It'd be suicide on their part.

To clarify, this isnt a bts bashing thread. Its here for me to share what Ive learned and researched about racerx and to share info, if I buy one, for other people to use in research. If I ran one with the intended mods Ive listed and it lived AND performed flawlessly you dont think people would be buying their boxes instead of bts due to geographical location or cost? There are several threads a week, "What other options than BTS?" Sure people get burned down for making the threads, as bts is a great outfit but its a legitimate question. It'll cost me three times as much in fuel to drive to BTS as Id save on just the base price. The racerx trans would probably only be 4 grand if it werent for the cooler, lines, fluid, and 6 external filters that come with each custom build.

Wouldnt it be fairly dangerous if EVERYBODY who was needing a 4r100 wanted a bts? First, he couldnt keep up. He cant now! Second, he could charge 8k then cuz there wouldnt be any comparision shopping. Lastly, he needs other shops doing work so he can maintain the quality he's known for. Imagine if he had fifteen guys building trannys for him. Would you want the ones that Brian didnt personally build himself? Hell no! You'd be paying for a name. Just like every other ATS, Banks, and Edge out there.

 

[dmd]

Once you get to the amount needed to get a great trans the extra is just pocket change..
Saving a few buck just to have to go back and spend more isnt a good solution.

I dont even consider "intended mods" or have to, it is built the strongest he can
build.

"Wouldnt it be fairly dangerous if EVERYBODY who was needing a 4r100 wanted a bts?".. Same logic my mom used.. What is everyone did x y or z..... Your adding emotion to
a technical question.

I am sure X builds a good trans, but with the economy of scale BTS uses, you get a
better deal.

 

[Deputydog]

AAMCO all the way!