Stacking sct and?????

[mgeistman]

i was afriad it would be tooo hot and smokey like greg was saying but when i run two street tunes one for 205's and one for stock and the stock tune runs cooler than the tune for 205's what to say the fooler wont work? see what i mean?

 

[mgeistman]

i see a timing issue with a fooler box not a hot and smokey issue

 

[Twinturbostroker]

I still think this is a bad idea, and its going to be SMOKEY as all can be, just nature of the box programmers, throwing fuel and timing, no real thought process into the tuning. Man for the sake of the truck be happy with custom built tunes that make the truck run well and properly.

to twinturbostroker: so then with a factory flash and a fooler box for a stock truck it should be less smokey and hot, if im reading what you wrote correctly. bc what you just were saying is opposite of what greg is saying..........?

Well I've read Greg's post and the man knows what he is talking about, I think he is hitting more on the fact that your truck is going to run like crap on a stock truck tune, and I was trying to explain why your truck is more "smokey" with you custom injector tune vs the stock truck extreme tune.....

i was afriad it would be tooo hot and smokey like greg was saying but when i run two street tunes one for 205's and one for stock and the stock tune runs cooler than the tune for 205's what to say the fooler wont work? see what i mean?

See here I have no idea, I have no clue or read about how a boost fooler works on a 6.0.......I was just going on a stock truck tune vs a custom tune.

However, food for thought, not sure if you caught my more support mods comment, but when it comes to getting everything running right there is WAY more than just a tune and fuel, gotta get the air into the mix and air consist of a lot of things, turbo, intake, heads, cam, exhaust........IIRC, tons of smoke and running hot means too much fuel and not enough air, right?

 

[mgeistman]

I'm not talking about a boost fooler when I say fooler box, I meant edge, quadzilla, ect....
My turbo moves PLANTY of air for 205's, I can clear them up on a race tune. The thing your not getting is it does NOT run like crap on a stock tune. This thread is not about trying to get my truck to run better, or have more power all I'm saying is I think it's a myth (when you're way above the power level that you are needing) about not being able to stack with a SCT flasher. The reason I think it's a myth is because my truck runs fabulous on a tune tailored for stock injectors and VGT turbo. With that being said I don't understand the reason behind it needing custom PCM tuning I do understand needing the SCT to tune the transmission because it is necessary no matter what power level you're at with the way the 5r is.:fustrate:LOL

 

[mgeistman]

now weither the two tuners would stay on the same page....... well thats a different story. i dont see it happening.

 

[Gearhead]

Jumping into this one late. With most boxes you are simply raising the ICP of the injection event. Without an actual tune, that's all you get......

Way more power to be had with increasing the pulsewidth and timing instead.

Also the boxes like the quadzilla and the hmax do add pulswitdth but your base pressures in the trans have to be close because the adaptive learning can only do so much.

Also with bigger injectors you have to REMOVE fuel in some places as compared to stock.......

 

[PSD-BLACK-CLOUD]

Mp8 sorry not reading this whole thing. There are a few guys doing it.

 

[mgeistman]

i talked with quadzilla and the box i ordered adjusts timing, icp pressure, pulse width, and duration of the pulse. its also usb updatable so he said if i dont like the way it runs on any of the power levels that i can email and get changes wrote to my likings and then update them to the box. dam thing is on backorder, ill know tomarrow when ill be getting it in.

something is wrong with my pcm at the moment so i cant do any testing till i find the problem anyways.

 

[mgeistman]

Mp8 sorry not reading this whole thing. There are a few guys doing it.

yea the mp-8 is costly though for having pretty low odds of working

 

[Gearhead]

i talked with quadzilla and the box i ordered adjusts timing, icp pressure, pulse width, and duration of the pulse. its also usb updatable so he said if i dont like the way it runs on any of the power levels that i can email and get changes wrote to my likings and then update them to the box. dam thing is on backorder, ill know tomarrow when ill be getting it in.

something is wrong with my pcm at the moment so i cant do any testing till i find the problem anyways.

If you are running larger injectors than stock this will not work. You need to REMOVE pulsewidth at some points.

 

[mgeistman]

Do you mean taking pulsewidth in places throughout the rpm range or just removing an amout of the entire rpm's?

 

[mgeistman]

I don't understand?

 

[mgeistman]

Guess you can't give away all you secrets huh?

 

[Gearhead]

Just think about it.... you have a bigger nozzle you need less pulsewidth for the same amount of fuel delivered. Diesels are fuel throttled engines.

 

[mgeistman]

The reason I find that hard to believe is Bc on a tune for factory sticks it runs cooler and less smokey than a tune of the same "power level" tailored for the bigger injectors? You do this for a living so I'm not saying your wrong, it just the facts airnt maching up with people's answers. Help please

 

[Pizza pig]

Matt speaks the truth.. :toast:

 

[IdahoF350]

mgeistman,
It can be done.

If you use a "piggy back" module like the Edge Juice, why not have a custom file built for your SCT that contains trans tuning, non-VGT and injector related idle mods, and de-tune the truck by say 50hp from the stock programming, better yet, use an E-series van tune as your new starting point ad tune up from there against the Juice. The Juice "sensor fooler" can then be used safely and not blow up the truck. The only hard part here is communicating the way you need the tune written to the tuner of your choice. It can totally be done, safely an reliably.

 

[mgeistman]

Were on the same page! thats what I'm thinking! I'm sure I've ruend my rep by starting this thread :doh: but hopefully I can get some tunes wrote to help me out with this. So far I've got one tranny tune ready to go.

 

[Zmann]

your Rep was trashed before this thread
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LOL I think this is a fun topic thanks for asking the question

 

[windrunner408]

:stupid: :whs: I always knew you were full of it.... LOL LOL LOL

J/K man I hope you can get it figured out for your setup. I'm interested either way.