Well its been a fun ride!

[blk350on20s]

I am astonished you guys are still helping. More patience than i have.

 

[lincolnlocker]

they are just full of love and kindness!!

for real kid!! so far you have done barely anything thats been mentioned... pcm is prolly fried.. i see you have a pcm on the way... but like charles said spray enough ether in it WHILE cranking and it will either run for a brief couple seconds or blow a rod threw the side trying.. if it doesnt then there is no one home in the compression department.

in other words it will either go or blow!

live life full throttle

 

[yotaneck13]

Ill jus wait for the pcm. Im going to pull the harness and rewire the lighting protion this weekend as well.

sent while looking at my sled. since theres no freeeeking snow!!!!!

 

[DocBar]

I've seen eleventythreehundred posts about spraying ether in this thread and have heard all of my life that spraying ether is bad for diesels that WD-40 should be used. The 2 times I've ever needed "starting fluid" on a diesel, I used WD-40 with great results. Just wondering why I've heard one thing all of my life, from experienced diesel owners like yourselves, and now hearing something different. :doh:

 

[85_305]

The only real time ether is highly dangerous is when the gp's are firing off, superheating the ether and making it potentially fire off before tdc, resulting in busted rods and cranks. If you dont have a heat source activated, ether is "ok" to use for diagnostic purposes. wd40 is a great option too and far safer.

The purpose of the ether in this situation is to see if the truck will even ATTEMPT to fire off when giving it a known-good fuel source. IF the truck doesn't have fubared internals, it SHOULD try to fire and run on that ether for a second. Thats the ONLY thing we're trying to find out is if its an electrical issue, fueling issue, or major internal/compression issue.

Lots of OTR and heavy-duty/construction trucks came stock with, or at least optioned out an ether-injection system.

 

[yotaneck13]

Good info to have. Thank you. On a side note. Wile im waiting fof the pcm.

My throttle problem. The last time i drove the truck it was still intermittent not working. I replaced the switch in the pedal.

Could it be in the cluster because the speedo quit working?

sent while looking at my sled. since theres no freeeeking snow!!!!!

 

[seeyalater5.9]

I am astonished you guys are still helping. More patience than i have.

I gave up on page 57 of redundant answers and op still playing "what if"

 

[yotaneck13]

I played what if when i was woeking 7 12's. I had no time to work on it. Even if the cold wasnt and issue. I still.havd no time. Now that were back on 6 10s i have more time. Plus its tax time so i have some extra jing.

sent while looking at my sled. since theres no freeeeking snow!!!!!

 

[DocBar]

The only real time ether is highly dangerous is when the gp's are firing off, superheating the ether and making it potentially fire off before tdc, resulting in busted rods and cranks. If you dont have a heat source activated, ether is "ok" to use for diagnostic purposes. wd40 is a great option too and far safer.

The purpose of the ether in this situation is to see if the truck will even ATTEMPT to fire off when giving it a known-good fuel source. IF the truck doesn't have fubared internals, it SHOULD try to fire and run on that ether for a second. Thats the ONLY thing we're trying to find out is if its an electrical issue, fueling issue, or major internal/compression issue.

Lots of OTR and heavy-duty/construction trucks came stock with, or at least optioned out an ether-injection system.

OK. Is there a reason WD-40 wouldn't work, in the same situation, with ~equal results? Again, just curious and trying to learn. It seems that ether would fire under less ideal situations than WD-40, making diagnosis somewhat more difficult.

 

[907DAVE]

I have tried WD a couple times for giggles and it never worked.

 

[CSIPSD]

WD 40 only works because your lighting the propellant in the wd 40...

 

[DocBar]

WD 40 only works because your lighting the propellant in the wd 40...

And what is different in that? Just asking because it worked for me when I needed it and was afraid to use ether. Is it the amount of WD-40 or just that it's different than ether?

 

[CSIPSD]

And what is different in that? Just asking because it worked for me when I needed it and was afraid to use ether. Is it the amount of WD-40 or just that it's different than ether?

Ether is a fuel, WD40 is not. I've used it too before, but it takes a TON more then ether and you have to remove the air filter, otherwise you just have a drippy filter.

 

[DocBar]

Ether is a fuel, WD40 is not. I've used it too before, but it takes a TON more then ether and you have to remove the air filter, otherwise you just have a drippy filter.

Interesting. I never considered not removing the air filter.

 

[Charles]

You take say a 963 loader with basically dead batteries on a 20 degree day and you'll be wishing you had some JD ether, lol.

Most old tractors, loaders and heavy equipment came factory equipped with an electric ether injection system that would allow a can of ether attached directly to the engine to be activated via pushbutton while the starter was running.

That's why the JD cans are so short. They are made to go directly into those injection systems on the side of the engine.

Ether is not all created equal. The mix of ether, lubricating oil and bs filler varies widely. The crap you get at the auto parts store is basically nothing. And at the other end of the spectrum, some of them have very little lubricant but plenty of ether and will rattle the piss out of an engine even with a good controlled spray. JD has a very good mix of ether and lubricant that will allow you to sit and perfectly run an engine from the can. You can rev it up, idle it down all 100% from the can. Other brands are often too weak to do anything, or the mix is too dangerous and it sounds like the rods are coming out the side.... because they are probably about to...

JD is so good you can almost always spray it into the filter real good, walk around, hop in and crank the machine. Don't try that with off-brand ether....


On Edit:

This is the good stuff...

 

[Charles]

I was looking for a video to show the quantity that can be injected with a quality ether without hurting an engine.

Here you go. And it's no coincidence that the can in his hand looks exactly like the one above...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohA4QAVSZlw

 

[85_305]

OK. Is there a reason WD-40 wouldn't work, in the same situation, with ~equal results? Again, just curious and trying to learn. It seems that ether would fire under less ideal situations than WD-40, making diagnosis somewhat more difficult.

Joe beat me to it... read below. Basically the wd40 isn't as potent, but its more "safe". We're telling the guy to use ether because we want to cut to the chase, and not have him waste his batteries 3x over when we could figure out in 30seconds of using ether (in the correct manner: directly into the turbo).

Ether is a fuel, WD40 is not. I've used it too before, but it takes a TON more then ether and you have to remove the air filter, otherwise you just have a drippy filter.

^^^ this

 

[lincolnlocker]

I was looking for a video to show the quantity that can be injected with a quality ether without hurting an engine.

Here you go. And it's no coincidence that the can in his hand looks exactly like the one above...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohA4QAVSZlw

holy *** that was a lot!

live life full throttle

 

[littleredstroker]

This thread just turned into something useful...

I never knew that about ether, but it makes sense.

sent while trying not to JJ My rods!!!!!!

 

[Evan ogre44]

I think the 5k asking price is pretty steep with how much seems to be wrong and I understand that you have added some things to it but the problems arent little ones their major problems. just so you know