side action diesel? tripple kit

sideactiondiesel · Jul 23, 2013

Yep u guys are correct . My 60ft time is no where near a 1.65. Which is where the better traction and tires would come into play .

madman1234509 · Jul 23, 2013

You cant really compare two separate trucks, at two different times at two different places with such a minuscule difference time and mph wise. Weather, track conditions, weight of the trucks all comes into play.

Rmartin-97 · Jul 23, 2013

I agree my e/t will be better due to my 60'. But trap speed isn't and that tells horsepower. Are you running a standard race tune. What's the truck weigh?

Powerstroke Cowboy · Jul 23, 2013

your 60 feet time will affect the 1/4 mile time and speed....

If not. explain please.

bigrpowr · Jul 23, 2013

madman1234509 said:
You cant really compare two separate trucks, at two different times at two different places with such a minuscule difference time and mph wise. Weather, track conditions, weight of the trucks all comes into play.

actually at this power level you can, for the most part. you would be talking about 10-30 hp difference give or take based on a couple hundred pounds and 10-20* of ambient. trap speed tells the tale.

Rmartin-97 · Jul 23, 2013

Powerstroke Cowboy said:
your 60 feet time will affect the 1/4 mile time and speed....

If not. explain please.

I should have worded that differently. But generally my truck will trap the same with or without a good 60'.
Also im not trying to bash their setup at all just tryin to see if there would be a benefit to a truck on stock fuel. Although I'm sure it's not designed for stock fuel. Just curious.

bigrpowr · Jul 23, 2013

MOST vehicles trap a SLOWER speed with a better 60ft.

Powerstroke Cowboy · Jul 23, 2013

thanks for the clarification. Was just curios is all. Like to learn as much as i can.

Thanks mike. I had heard that and saw it to. do you have a good explanation why it does that?? Is it the fact that it has less time then to build speed??? I know a manual pickup can have bad 6+0 times but shock a guy in the 1/4 for speed at the same time having a bad time in the 1/4..

Jeff@Spartan · Jul 23, 2013

madman1234509 said:
You cant really compare two separate trucks, at two different times at two different places with such a minuscule difference time and mph wise. Weather, track conditions, weight of the trucks all comes into play.

Compare trap speed and see which one is faster.....and isn't the Side Action truck a regular cab?

bigrpowr · Jul 23, 2013

Powerstroke Cowboy said:
thanks for the clarification. Was just curios is all. Like to learn as much as i can.

Thanks mike. I had heard that and saw it to. do you have a good explanation why it does that?? Is it the fact that it has less time then to build speed??? I know a manual pickup can have bad 6+0 times but shock a guy in the 1/4 for speed at the same time having a bad time in the 1/4..

i think its the gain, and where it happens. i have always had VERY good 60ft's, but terrible trap speeds in comparison to most. i went 12.48 @ 106 with a 1.64 , where most are 107+++ . i can pull my slips and start looking to get better info on my personal experience.

Powerstroke Cowboy · Jul 23, 2013

bigrpowr said:
i think its the gain, and where it happens. i have always had VERY good 60ft's, but terrible trap speeds in comparison to most. i went 12.48 @ 106 with a 1.64 , where most are 107+++ . i can pull my slips and start looking to get better info on my personal experience.

You do not have to go through the work digging them out. I trust your experience. Very interesting though. From what you have seen a faster 60 foot means a better 1/4 mile time, but a worth 1/4 mile speed.

3brorce · Jul 23, 2013

SPARTAN said:
Compare trap speed and see which one is faster.....and isn't the Side Action truck a regular cab?

Yes it is.

bigrpowr · Jul 24, 2013

Powerstroke Cowboy said:
You do not have to go through the work digging them out. I trust your experience. Very interesting though. From what you have seen a faster 60 foot means a better 1/4 mile time, but a worth 1/4 mile speed.

Well I dug thru a few and the differences are minimal and not as consistent as I believed. For the most part what I said holds true , but the differences are minimal (ie: .2-.4 of a mph)

3brorce said:
Yes it is.

Well that says a lot. My 2wd regular cab ran 12.90 @ 109 on just a tune. 60ft was 2.1 and weight is prolly 3-400lbs less. But most reg cab 4x4's run 12.2-3 at 110 on a tune. I know Rudy did, as well as Matt geouge.

madman1234509 · Jul 24, 2013

Regardless. It is a good posibilty that with the extra piping and turbo that it has not had a huge benefit with stock fuel. But back when these trucks were a newer platform nosgstr made over 1000hp with his turbo in front of the stockers or ii turbos. And im surprised no one has done this or made a kit since considering its relatively budget oriented. Dmax guys add turbos in front of their stockers all the time. My buddies truck rans darn good with his kit and small nozzles. I bet with some fuel itll make some good numbers.

Powerstroked162 · Jul 24, 2013

I'm wondering at what point in this the stock VGT becomes a restriction.

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smokinstroker · Jul 24, 2013

Powerstroked162 said:
I'm wondering at what point in this the stock VGT becomes a restriction.

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This is what I'm looking into.

Really wanting to get the most out of stock fuel and have a clean 700+ but if I cannot drive the Atmo or the valley compounds will be a restriction I am going to pull the trigger on some high power jr.'s

Unless I find some high powers someone is getting rid of

On the other hand. A box 475 or 480 would be relatively inexpensive if the stock fuel will drive it

Mike@MPD · Jul 24, 2013

Im pretty sure eric from innovative went 12.1 with his tuned RClb a few years ago

jdgleason · Jul 24, 2013

Powerstroked162 said:
I'm wondering at what point in this the stock VGT becomes a restriction.

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Oooooh oooooh! Pick me! I have a pretty good idea! Lol

Should know for sure pretty soon.

Mike is right about the trap speed. At DPC I watched Woosley run a 10.8 @129, then a 13.6ish @ 128... Crazy stuff.

sideactiondiesel · Jul 24, 2013

Im pretty sure eric from innovative went 12.1 with his tuned RClb a few years ago

Mike -didn't he have a small shot on that truck ? JW

I'm wondering at what point in this the stock VGT becomes a restriction

I am also wondering the same....but i feel like if gated properly that it will be able to last a while. but the horn on the compressor is going to rear its head one day i am sure.

I wanted to do the tests the same is the reason for the same tune no added fuel or lift pump. There seems to be to many things that can vary when everyone is going for times to go faster. But that was not the point of what we were trying to see. we can make the truck faster with more fuel if we want i just wanted to see what "in stock form" how the truck would handle pushing the Atmo, and if it would gain anything all conditions being the same. With that being said we have noticed a big drop in egt's from 1750* or so down to 1440*this is on your out of the box 300 tune at WOT down the track. So since I like my pistons and valves and heads

I feel like we are heading in a good direction. I did not want someone to buy the kit and not enjoy any gains on stock fuel truck. The plans for the truck is 100% nozzles and fuel system and transmission along with valve spings and dual fuel setup. Again this is just a stepping stone as someone is planning on adding power in the future. Hope this helps everyone understand on what our goal is. I knew we were not going to set the world on fire on stock fuel.Wanted to make sure test were consistent as i could keep them and go from there. Now in a few weeks we can add some fuel but gonna need tires to stick to the track first LOL.