Joe might be my all time favorite fourum guy, he buys and tries lots of things and then shares his experience and opinions with everyone. Who cares if he rubs someone the wrong way, its the internet. I have PM'd Joe (where it is more personal) on another forum and he was super generous with his time and thoughts. Jat, do you really expect someone to take the time to respond to your PM just to argue or act badass? And you are calling him 12 years old. If someone doesn't like a product, its great to hear about it (DP Tuner looks like they are doing just fine to me)...the ironic thing is, he may have been instrumental in saving DP tuner: I personally think their tunes were changed up and made safer or maybe they just evolved into better tunes like everyone else. I know their customer service is much better than it used to be when they were the undesputed "kings of tuning". People complained and things changed.