6.0.4 revisited

PTSUPERD · Dec 8, 2012

Derail clean up done. Back on track.

Dustball8504 · Dec 8, 2012

PTSUPERD said:
Derail clean up done. Back on track.

Thanks!

I'm really getting stoked for this. It's gonna be really cool and I hope it works out for you man!

Any word on what injectors you will end up going with?

TheReelMuhcoy · Dec 8, 2012

fordfreak4life said:
285/150 hybrid, don't pussy foot around

Ya, I'm not sure about that, I would like my pistons to remain in solid form. Glad I missed that derail.

I'm not sure how much fuel these turbo's are going to handle on the 6.0. I am thinking I may need to run stock sticks and push it as far as I can with just tuning, then upgrade based off how the stock sticks do. I would like to try to push 550Hp +/-, time will tell.

Dustball8504 · Dec 8, 2012

TheReelMuhcoy said:
Ya, I'm not sure about that, I would like my pistons to remain in solid form. Glad I missed that derail.

I'm not sure how much fuel these turbo's are going to handle on the 6.0. I am thinking I may need to run stock sticks and push it as far as I can with just tuning, then upgrade based off how the stock sticks do. I would like to try to push 550Hp +/-, time will tell.

If you can get it to work it won't be a problem going 550. I personally think that you'll be tapped about 450-475 on stock sticks. Stock charger on the 6.0 already does a good job cleaning up stock injectors. I think you'll clean 190/75% up with these turbos.

alwil · Dec 8, 2012

Dustball8504 said:
If you can get it to work it won't be a problem going 550. I personally think that you'll be tapped about 450-475 on stock sticks. Stock charger on the 6.0 already does a good job cleaning up stock injectors. I think you'll clean 190/75% up with these turbos.

Do you happen to know what 6.4 injectors flow?

windrunner408 · Dec 8, 2012

Dustball8504 said:
If you can get it to work it won't be a problem going 550. I personally think that you'll be tapped about 450-475 on stock sticks. Stock charger on the 6.0 already does a good job cleaning up stock injectors. I think you'll clean 190/75% up with these turbos.

I agree.

Pizza pig · Dec 9, 2012

alwil said:
Do you happen to know what 6.4 injectors flow?

its irrelevant in this discussion, stock 6.4 nozzles flow from what i've been told 24lpm. But on what bench, how much pressure, what kind of fluid, what measurements, what pulse width, what rpm etc. The two entirely different injection systems are lightyears apart to even begin this discussion. I think the best match for smoke free, fun power are going to be a 190/75. Your horsepower goals will be reachable and will have great street-ability. Cant wait to see this thing start taking shape.

TheReelMuhcoy · Dec 9, 2012

Greg,
Are you trying to talk me out of your injectors? haha

I am thinking 190/100's and pull fuel in tuning if necessary, but doubtful. So the next thought is should I just run stock injectors, before upping them, to get an initial dyno# to see what just the turbo's alone do?

alwil · Dec 9, 2012

pizza pig said:
its irrelevant in this discussion, stock 6.4 nozzles flow from what i've been told 24lpm. But on what bench, how much pressure, what kind of fluid, what measurements, what pulse width, what rpm etc. The two entirely different injection systems are lightyears apart to even begin this discussion. I think the best match for smoke free, fun power are going to be a 190/75. Your horsepower goals will be reachable and will have great street-ability. Cant wait to see this thing start taking shape.

Yeah cause you would never think to maybe find out what a 6.4 injector flows and then try to match it with a 6.0 injector.
Instead people will just go with what you " think" instead of actual data.

windrunner408 · Dec 9, 2012

TheReelMuhcoy said:
Greg,
Are you trying to talk me out of your injectors? haha

I am thinking 190/100's and pull fuel in tuning if necessary, but doubtful. So the next thought is should I just run stock injectors, before upping them, to get an initial dyno# to see what just the turbo's alone do?

Just running the turbos with the stock injectors won't really give you the true performance potential that adding extra fuel for all the extra air will. It will be interesting to see for sure what they do but I think the stock injectors should be first utilized to make sure the turbos are working and functioning properly. I just wouldn't expect any huge gains. There of course should be some gain but not like what you would see with blending in the right amount of fuel for the extra air.

Stroker04 · Dec 9, 2012

Just read this whole thread good luck with the project man:thumbup:

Pizza pig · Dec 9, 2012

alwil said:
Yeah cause you would never think to maybe find out what a 6.4 injector flows and then try to match it with a 6.0 injector.
Instead people will just go with what you " think" instead of actual data.

I think you're missing the point. You do know how different the common rail and HEUI injector is right? I think anyone who uses a flow bench will tell you the same thing. But I like your enthusiasm.

TheReelMuhcoy · Dec 9, 2012

There just is not enough data available to determine what sizes are comparable, I did some research and I couldn't find any volume ratings for 6.4 injectors only HP ratings. And even still I believe you guys are right, a 6.0 makse 60 psi of fuel and. 6.4 makes upwards of 26,000. Totally different fuel system to try to compare.

Pizza pig · Dec 9, 2012

the 6.0 injector makes over 20,000 psi fuel pressure when the plunger is forced down to inject fuel by high pressure oil. Just in a different way.

Mdub707 · Dec 9, 2012

pizza pig said:
the 6.0 injector makes over 20,000 psi fuel pressure when the plunger is forced down to inject fuel by high pressure oil. Just in a different way.

Exactly. It's a 7:1 pressure ratio stock right, and figure 4000psi max out of a stock 05+ HPOP... 4000x7 = 28,000... or so.... That sound reasonable? Obviously there will be some parasitic losses through that. Or am I way off base here?

The fuel certainly isn't being squirted out at 60psi...

MorganY · Dec 9, 2012

Mdub707 said:
Exactly. It's a 7:1 pressure ratio stock right, and figure 4000psi max out of a stock 05+ HPOP... 4000x7 = 28,000... or so.... That sound reasonable? Obviously there will be some parasitic losses through that. Or am I way off base here?

The fuel certainly isn't being squirted out at 60psi...

You're correct, sir

TheReelMuhcoy · Dec 9, 2012

Yes I had a brain fart there. I was really just thinking of the fuel delivery to the injector there. Didn't think it all the way through. Either way there is nothing out there that compares volume of a 6.0 injector to a 6.4 injector, I'll have to see if I can get in touch with someone who works on both types of injectors.

SSpeeDEMONSS · Dec 9, 2012

so an HEUI sytem, on an 05+ 6.0 at 100%, injects fuel at 28,000psi? then why is injection pressure always brought up when talking about HEUI systems. doesn't sound right to me.

Garrett

Pizza pig · Dec 9, 2012

SSpeeDEMONSS said:
so an HEUI sytem, on an 05+ 6.0 at 100%, injects fuel at 28,000psi? then why is injection pressure always brought up when talking about HEUI systems. doesn't sound right to me.

Garrett

The more fuel capacity thats in the barrel, the more volume of oil that is needed to empty the barrel depending on the nozzle. This is why larger capacity, 225s for example with a 100% nozzle has trouble holding icp pressure because the stock pump cant supply the volume of high pressure oil needed to empty the barrel at a certain pulse width

Hopefully that answers your question?

TheReelMuhcoy · Dec 9, 2012

What I really want to know is, what are we referring to when we say a "190cc" injector... It can't be 190CC per injection, my guess is 190CC per minute, but then I wonder at what RPM...

This is above me......