600% nozzles???

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

Well, with enough air......or Nitrious......, 1000 can be reached with the injectors I'm using.



FWIW, my "Tuner" was the first to reach 700hp on fuel only back in 06 was it? With tiny 248cc/100% B codes.



My 97 is setup exactly the same as WOP old race truck....., except for my gear ratio and turbo configuration......4:10's and larger chargers.

Well if it has billet rods, and all else the same, 300cc injectors are not going to hurt it. That's all I was getting at. If your bottom end can't handle 300cc then it must not be built well. Or you are mistaken about your injectors.

Just get old, like me.....and buy a 2015 6.7.....:toast:

Yep, 6.7's are where it's at!


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[elrodalexander73]

I just wonder if the 6.7 can take the sustained twist and boost of truck pulling without the cylinder heads lifting, truck pulling and drag racing are two different things, its kinda like the 6.7 Cummins that were supposed to be big and bad and have extra displacement but once they started climbing up there in real power they started cracking the lower bores in the block and locking cylinders up when they galled.. My goal at this point is to save for a P-pump and know I have 650cc+ of fuel per stroke no matter what rpm, with the throttle fully engaged. This post was just render some discussion on what is still left, I see more and more P-pump 7.3s coming onto the scene, I saw a truck called Relentless, a P-pumped 7.3, now in Midwest, guy sold his 3.0 cummins to build his 7.3, they are laying down good numbers and making torque all over the place and aren't crapping out after 4 or 5 pulls.

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

The 6.7 has better head fasteners than any other powerstroke besides maybe a 7.3. 50-60 psi no problem. I know one at least has been sprayed to over 1000. Another over 900 both on headbolts.

The 6.4 are actually the strongest powerstroke with a factory bed plate and 16mm head studs. Their blocks and cranks do not fail. The 7.3's will split factory blocks at the 1400+ hp level. Strokedout was doing it about every two seasons.


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[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

But overall the 7.3 is a good candidate. Once it has a p-pump all you have to do is keep the block together. And there are ways of doing that.


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[elrodalexander73]

Morgan your advice is always Solid man, appreciate all the information!!

 

[Mr.BigOil]

Not that it matters to most, but my point was that with the right mods, 300cc's + Air + Nitrious should do well and can blow even a fully built engine. If the block breaks, go Hypermax. My current engine is built to the blocks limit.....half hard blocked, not full.
Maybe nobody remembers Zane at Wide Open, but he did push the 7.3 to the limit with HEUI......then moved on.

My 6.7 will remain stock for the first 6 years. I enjoy my quiet, smooth, and snappy truck. Might do some trans tune testing for DP Tuner, but that will be it. Tried a nice trans Tune back in November.....very impressive

 

[Magnum PD]

I just wonder if the 6.7 can take the sustained twist and boost of truck pulling without the cylinder heads lifting, truck pulling and drag racing are two different things, its kinda like the 6.7 Cummins that were supposed to be big and bad and have extra displacement but once they started climbing up there in real power they started cracking the lower bores in the block and locking cylinders up when they galled.. My goal at this point is to save for a P-pump and know I have 650cc+ of fuel per stroke no matter what rpm, with the throttle fully engaged. This post was just render some discussion on what is still left, I see more and more P-pump 7.3s coming onto the scene, I saw a truck called Relentless, a P-pumped 7.3, now in Midwest, guy sold his 3.0 cummins to build his 7.3, they are laying down good numbers and making torque all over the place and aren't crapping out after 4 or 5 pulls.

This guy?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nOOOqmSZIUY
Plus Lunatic Fringe:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFN5PFJcmQ

 

[elrodalexander73]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwiev_5Ug0A nope this guy, sold basically a haisley motor to build a P-pumped 7.3... Only about 5 months with it together now, there was a thread over on Comp Diesel about the sale.. Truck is ungodly..

 

[elrodalexander73]

Joe Wiltse owns it if any of you guys know who he is. Would be neat to see some pics and info on it..

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

Not that it matters to most, but my point was that with the right mods, 300cc's + Air + Nitrious should do well and can blow even a fully built engine. If the block breaks, go Hypermax. My current engine is built to the blocks limit.....half hard blocked, not full.
Maybe nobody remembers Zane at Wide Open, but he did push the 7.3 to the limit with HEUI......then moved on.

My 6.7 will remain stock for the first 6 years. I enjoy my quiet, smooth, and snappy truck. Might do some trans tune testing for DP Tuner, but that will be it. Tried a nice trans Tune back in November.....very impressive

Yes I, and most on here fully understand who Zane and WOP is.

And I also fully know that even spraying the balls off it, your not going to make much more than 4 digits with 300cc of fuel.


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[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

Not being a dick, but e few of us have had much larger than 300cc injectors. So you don't have to get all cocky about it.


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[Mr.BigOil]

Not being cocky at all. Sorry if I'm coming off that way.....
Does anybody know how much fuel Zane ran back in the day? Not as much as most think.

Guys running 400cc's, actually using all 400? If that old 7.3 that I mentioned earlier did 700 on fuel had sprayed it, he would have been 4 digits as well. My point: we don't need 600cc Hybrids to get the job done with HEUI.

I like the P pump idea, but deep pockets are a requirement. I'd rather buy property or a couple new trucks.

 

[Morgan@Midwest Diesel & Auto]

Not being cocky at all. Sorry if I'm coming off that way.....
Does anybody know how much fuel Zane ran back in the day? Not as much as most think.

Guys running 400cc's, actually using all 400? If that old 7.3 that I mentioned earlier did 700 on fuel had sprayed it, he would have been 4 digits as well. My point: we don't need 600cc Hybrids to get the job done with HEUI.

I like the P pump idea, but deep pockets are a requirement. I'd rather buy property or a couple new trucks.

Regardless, I'm not trying to start an argument. This whole thread is based on a 2.6" single turbo fuel only hp goal.

And if you can't use all 400cc (which you can't at 4000+ rpm) then your not going to make the power required.

What I'm saying is that you cannot make 1200 hp on fuel with a 2.6" charger and heui injectors (at least not any 7.3 style ones to date). With that fact being well known, you cannot compete on a national level with ppl class 2.6 trucks.

In the end heui has not yet reached the level they will need to. So at this point you cannot "get the job done with heui". Not saying it will never happen. But it will cost more to get there and be successful with heui (if you ever actually could make it work) than going p-pump from the start.

That's all I'm saying. It's a valiant goal. But there is more cost effective ways. Hence why no one has make a $20k dual feed hyper fast (imaginary) 7.3 heui system. Not saying it will never happen either. Just stating facts.


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[Mr.BigOil]

I can agree with your statement, 100%.

My truck runs twin turbos and the primary is huge. I would never imagine a 2.6 handling my setup, and make competitive hp.....

 

[lincolnlocker]

Not that it matters to most, but my point was that with the right mods, 300cc's + Air + Nitrious should do well and can blow even a fully built engine. If the block breaks, go Hypermax. My current engine is built to the blocks limit.....half hard blocked, not full.
Maybe nobody remembers Zane at Wide Open, but he did push the 7.3 to the limit with HEUI......then moved on.

My 6.7 will remain stock for the first 6 years. I enjoy my quiet, smooth, and snappy truck. Might do some trans tune testing for DP Tuner, but that will be it. Tried a nice trans Tune back in November.....very impressive

most of us know who zane is.. lol

and most of us said the same thing about leaving the 6.7 stock.. i tried thst same path.. it got the best of me and holy ***in **** is it impressive with just a dpf delete and tune...

Yes I, and most on here fully understand who Zane and WOP is.

And I also fully know that even spraying the balls off it, your not going to make much more than 4 digits with 300cc of fuel.


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yup yup

Not being cocky at all. Sorry if I'm coming off that way.....
Does anybody know how much fuel Zane ran back in the day? Not as much as most think.

Guys running 400cc's, actually using all 400? If that old 7.3 that I mentioned earlier did 700 on fuel had sprayed it, he would have been 4 digits as well. My point: we don't need 600cc Hybrids to get the job done with HEUI.

I like the P pump idea, but deep pockets are a requirement. I'd rather buy property or a couple new trucks.

if only we could spray in the 2.6 classes and nobody else could... might have a fighting chance then..

live life full throttle

 

[elrodalexander73]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6ujJrv97Kc another vid of the p-pump 7.3 relentless

 

[gwunter]

Is there any build info for relentless, I saw 2 YouTube videos that had Cummins in the title....nothing about p-pump 7.3. Maybe I missed it.

 

[elrodalexander73]

He sold his built 5.9 to build this engine, its on Competition Diesel, if you listen closely you can here the V8 sound when it leaves the line.. He just got it together from what I heard, kinda hard to believe a guy sold a well built 5.9 to build one of these.. Nature of the beast I guess.

 

[elrodalexander73]

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2314128
There I found it, this guy is Die Hard Ford!!!

 

[cbf9703]

Not that it matters to most, but my point was that with the right mods, 300cc's + Air + Nitrious should do well and can blow even a fully built engine. If the block breaks, go Hypermax. My current engine is built to the blocks limit.....half hard blocked, not full.
Maybe nobody remembers Zane at Wide Open, but he did push the 7.3 to the limit with HEUI......then moved on.

Anything "+Nitrous" should do well and can blow even a fully built engine, although you'll probably go through a few turbos long before the block. lol the juice can be hard on things.

Not being cocky at all. Sorry if I'm coming off that way.....
Does anybody know how much fuel Zane ran back in the day? Not as much as most think.

Guys running 400cc's, actually using all 400? If that old 7.3 that I mentioned earlier did 700 on fuel had sprayed it, he would have been 4 digits as well. My point: we don't need 600cc Hybrids to get the job done with HEUI.

I like the P pump idea, but deep pockets are a requirement. I'd rather buy property or a couple new trucks.

Yes with enough spray he might have hit 4 digits. IMO it's a far safer bet to increase the build and limit the spray you have to use. There are 800hp+ 7.3s spraying to 4 digits and scooting down the track right now, but that still doesn't help you for sled pulling.