Bad ipr or hpop?

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Well, and it seems like once you start pissing with them the boat goes south. My truck was absolutely, positively leak and trouble free until 225k miles in 08. I developed a trans cooler leak. I replaced it with a different cooler, v10, I think. Truck had a 100hp chip on it. One injector crapped out at 50k or something like that. Anyway, I bought the 38r, then the following week I bought a custom chip from php. The trans got hot a few times. Got some 175/80s. Trans shti the bed. Put a low mile stocker in and a valve body with a stock, new cooler. Truck starts PUKING OIL out of every seal, gasket and orifice it has. Water pump craps. Change that. Oil leaks get worse. Pull motor to replace oil pan and all gaskets and seal and add melling lpop. Notice the trend? Stock truck with a healthy tune that gets parked hooked to a gn flatbed lasts forever. Add more power and upgraded turbos and things start to go. I have no doubt it would be fine had I not dikced with it.

I drove it everyday, the same roads, the same speeds, the same old same ole. Things just worked.

It all depends on how far you care to go. Im liking the truck still but losing interest in pissing with it.
 

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Yes it certainly does seem that way especially at times.

When you say oil starting leaking from everywhere what actually happened?
 

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Well, and it seems like once you start pissing with them the boat goes south. My truck was absolutely, positively leak and trouble free until 225k miles in 08. I developed a trans cooler leak. I replaced it with a different cooler, v10, I think. Truck had a 100hp chip on it. One injector crapped out at 50k or something like that. Anyway, I bought the 38r, then the following week I bought a custom chip from php. The trans got hot a few times. Got some 175/80s. Trans shti the bed. Put a low mile stocker in and a valve body with a stock, new cooler. Truck starts PUKING OIL out of every seal, gasket and orifice it has. Water pump craps. Change that. Oil leaks get worse. Pull motor to replace oil pan and all gaskets and seal and add melling lpop. Notice the trend? Stock truck with a healthy tune that gets parked hooked to a gn flatbed lasts forever. Add more power and upgraded turbos and things start to go. I have no doubt it would be fine had I not dikced with it.

I drove it everyday, the same roads, the same speeds, the same old same ole. Things just worked.

It all depends on how far you care to go. Im liking the truck still but losing interest in pissing with it.

its just your luck as far as the leaks go my man. stock trans going is just a given, and shall be planned on from day one lol
 

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While true I do get the point Ty is making. You can certainly see the trend when you start to add perf parts there is much more that then has to go to support that and it certainly does work the engine harder if you actually use that extra power with any regularity.


I have been super careful as an example with my trans. I have not so much has done a full half throttle run from a stand still. My trans is literally in perfect condition and has never been run hard. Has run Schaeffers all trans since I owned it @ 65K. Hell in this X it has not even towed anything other than a uhaul trailer LOL. That is why I got the BTS. Which I need to get it in ASAP BTW. I knew this all along so I bit my lip hard and resisted from using the power I have on tap.

But while I doubt the oil leak had to do with the power increases many things that do go wrong certainly do have to do with these or are at least pushed to the noticeable level because of them.

When you consider what you have to change out if you really want to do it right if you want to just put say 238/80% or 100% injectors. It sounds like something not that big but you have to basically ( Again to do it right) chip, turbo, fuel system, head studs, valve springs, push rods, HPOP, transmission and cooler, exhaust, intake, gauges.

Then you have the other stuff that has more stress put on as a byproduct of this. You then are have pushing ujoints in the drive line much harder, the hubs, gears. If you are having fun you are going to be chewing tires up faster.

Also once you crack into these, hunting the gremlins down seems to happen quite a bit more as you are messing and moving wires and connectors and crap starts to happen.

Thing is in stock form these trucks will run decent even with things no working quite optimally. There is enough cushion (tolerance) built into the stock system for this. But you add performance parts or even a chip and suddenly that IPR misbehaving just a bit is now really noticeable. That turbo that might have had seal going is toast in a week when it could have lasted a couple years longer in stock form.

You hear this all the time from the big shops. They get a truck in for perf upgrades like a set of injectors and a turbo but they first spend hours and hundreds if not thousands of dollars fixing all the little things that were already wrong with it but were liveable or went noticed before. Otherwise it will not run right with the jump in perf.

If I was setting a truck up that was say for my dad and had to just flat out work. I would put a fuel system in as the stock one is poor in terms of over all design and the deadhead is bad from a mechanical perspective.

But it would be a stock pump with pre (dahl) and post filter and the fittings between pump and tank would be changed to not suck air. It would be a regulated return not deadhead.

At most in terms of something that might need to be programed if I even went that far I might put stock single shots injectors in it because I think they are a less complicated work less and more durable. I would have the PCM flashed (no chip) It would have a tune that put it basically at stock power. A BTS VB in it as that would help even a totally stock trucks trans last longer IMO by keeping shifts crisp and not slipping into gear. 6.0 trans cooler. It would get a IH water pump so it would last and have a built in bypass filter. (notice many of the shops that offer bypass filters now offer the IH pump as a kit as well. Premium brake rotors and pads. Might upgrade to the F450/550 ends for the larger brakes.

Anything else changed would be in making the truck ride and handle better. But that would be it. I would not add any power maybe 275? vs the 250 stock. After I have watched the loads that we have pulled in my uncle's 110% stock F350 7.3 that now has 425K on it and runs very well. It does all you actually NEED. Any more is honestly for pleasure and lets face it there is a price for that which is certainly more than the one or two parts that make the extra power.
 

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its just your luck as far as the leaks go my man. stock trans going is just a given, and shall be planned on from day one lol

Thats not true really. If trannys just went my 03 or 00 would have crapped one out. My 03 was over 100k when I sold it in 06. It never failed. Worked perfectly. My 00 was hooked to a loaded trailer indefinitely. There were times it may have remained for as long as a year. 10-20k trailer weight. Maintained openly. Trans never failed. Uuuuuuuntil I added more power. Doubled it actually. If you think about it, a superduty tuned is anywbere from 260-330rwhp. Considering that 250hp rating stock is probably at180 or so at the rear wheels, thats a big task.

Id say if you truly maintain a stock 4r100 it could live almost indefinitely with a chip or even stg1 injectors.

Edit:mine failed behind 175/80s. No surprise.
 

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I still have the original trans that Ford put in my truck 355K miles ago. I have changed fluid in it twice. On my third used TC. It is not happy with life.

Put in a Sonnex Valve Kit from David right after I put a chip on it.

Trans is still fine. :redspotdance: Need to break down and buy a good TC.
 

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Didnt you have a b&m triple disc convertor Andy? Someone threw a hi perf converter in their trucks stock trans.
 

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My uncles F350 7.3 4r100 has 435k and is on the orig trans. He certainly tows alot and very heavy. Now to be fair its flat land but it is high temps down in southern Tx.
 

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thats pretty impressive on the transmissions fellas... but then again its not all young punks driving them... its seasoned veterans that knkw how to treat a truck.. the hd trans my dually came with lasted 6 months after all the upgrades and my driving habits.. its all in driving style...

live life full throttle
 

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The guy that sold it to me, told me he had bought it in a pinch and used it for about 6 months before he could afford a "good" TQ. He was pushing about 400 HP, but babied it while it was in there. I didn't baby it at all.
 

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Thats not true really. If trannys just went my 03 or 00 would have crapped one out. My 03 was over 100k when I sold it in 06. It never failed. Worked perfectly. My 00 was hooked to a loaded trailer indefinitely. There were times it may have remained for as long as a year. 10-20k trailer weight. Maintained openly. Trans never failed. Uuuuuuuntil I added more power. Doubled it actually. If you think about it, a superduty tuned is anywbere from 260-330rwhp. Considering that 250hp rating stock is probably at180 or so at the rear wheels, thats a big task.

Id say if you truly maintain a stock 4r100 it could live almost indefinitely with a chip or even stg1 injectors.

Edit:mine failed behind 175/80s. No surprise.

well this is a damn site full of power junkies, so i naturally assumed you knew i meant when increasing horsepower and torque. my original 4r100 did the same, stock, it was fine, chipped, it was still fine, 238/100's, it wasnt a month or two iirc before i could literally sit at a stop, in drive, foot off the brake pedal, and truck wouldnt move. hell, i had to throttle to about 2 grand before it would start moving. i seriously miss the way my bts shifted. it took some getting used to, but riding in other trucks now, the shifts just dont feel right.
 

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well this is a damn site full of power junkies, so i naturally assumed you knew i meant when increasing horsepower and torque. my original 4r100 did the same, stock, it was fine, chipped, it was still fine, 238/100's, it wasnt a month or two iirc before i could literally sit at a stop, in drive, foot off the brake pedal, and truck wouldnt move. hell, i had to throttle to about 2 grand before it would start moving. i seriously miss the way my bts shifted. it took some getting used to, but riding in other trucks now, the shifts just dont feel right.

Hey, I explained that a tuned 7.3 is arguably double the power. A stock truck doesnt put anything near the factory rating to the rear wheels. Obs dyno 160-180...superduties 180-200...
 

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i know, its actually amazing how little horsepower they produced stock, but still feel so powerful. and you definitely have a point on trans maintenance. alot of guys buy a used truck from someone, who never changed the trans fluid. then said new owner decided he is going to change all the fluids, and now that 200k mile trans fluid is gone, that contained all that clutch material, and shortly after, theyre having trans issues. ive seen it too many times. if youre going to change it, it needs to start when the trans is new, and needs to be done at certain intervals, but it is too often overlooked.
 

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well this is a damn site full of power junkies, so i naturally assumed you knew i meant when increasing horsepower and torque. my original 4r100 did the same, stock, it was fine, chipped, it was still fine, 238/100's, it wasnt a month or two iirc before i could literally sit at a stop, in drive, foot off the brake pedal, and truck wouldnt move. hell, i had to throttle to about 2 grand before it would start moving. i seriously miss the way my bts shifted. it took some getting used to, but riding in other trucks now, the shifts just dont feel right.
yeah but that bts is being used as it should now!

live life full throttle
 

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