Best bang for the buck traction bars?

[Coueshunter]

I'm totally in left field here, let me post Davids ORIGINAL post that you edited.

"Same concept on why a 4 linked front end on these trucks isn't the greatest"

You changed that to 3 linked. He was talking about the people that bolt on these "4 link conversions" and dont understand why their trucks bump steer and body roll...

They are in terminology a 3 linked system from the factory, I am not arguing that.

I was just putting more to why the "termed 4 link" (technically a 5 link) conversions do not perform that well and cannot properly articulate.

Like I said, I dont think you picked up the context in which I was commenting?

A 5 link can't properly articulate? Lmfao
Should I invite you out to the next jeep meet with a ramp? We do one about once a month. I'd love to know what "proper" is when they are maxing out more then many 3 link designs...
Maybe we will back some trucks up the ramp and see flex with such inferior traction bars that "bind"

 

[f100cleveland]

I will bite.

Because what is going to control the bar from moving forward and or backward. You sure you are not thinking of sway bars that have quick disconnects?

Nope, referring to this design.



But axle wrap is a different force than normal suspension movement. Normal movement lets it float forward and back. But when the housing tries to rotate and the pinion starts going up, the shackle doesn't allow it to go upwards. This is a very common setup that has worked great for years.


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[Breaking Habits]

A 5 link can't properly articulate? Lmfao
Should I invite you out to the next jeep meet with a ramp? We do one about once a month. I'd love to know what "proper" is when they are maxing out more then many 3 link designs...
Maybe we will back some trucks up the ramp and see flex with such inferior traction bars that "bind"

This is exactly why I am wasting no time or effort even conversing with you. No one is talking about a trophy truck, or a fully custom suspension system in this sub - conversation.

On a super duty designed around a radius arm with a "4 link" bolted in, NO it cannot perform properly in all aspects as which is was designed and do everything it can with a radius arm.

You have some sort of agenda or something behind you pushing your antics, and I'm not interested in partaking, so i bid you good luck in your search. With your superior knowledge you should probably just build your own product since everything else is sub par.

 

[Coueshunter]

Maybe you can help the jeep crowd design a proper 4/5 link set up

 

[Jonnydime]

Nope, referring to this design.

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But axle wrap is a different force than normal suspension movement. Normal movement lets it float forward and back. But when the housing tries to rotate and the pinion starts going up, the shackle doesn't allow it to go upwards. This is a very common setup that has worked great for years.


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Look at PMF's Floating traction Bar. I run them and love them.

 

[Coueshunter]

This is exactly why I am wasting no time or effort even conversing with you. No one is talking about a trophy truck, or a fully custom suspension system in this sub - conversation.

On a super duty designed around a radius arm with a "4 link" bolted in, NO it cannot perform properly in all aspects as which is was designed and do everything it can with a radius arm.

You have some sort of agenda or something behind you pushing your antics, and I'm not interested in partaking, so i bid you good luck in your search. With your superior knowledge you should probably just build your own product since everything else is sub par.

trophy truck? You mean like 99% of the jeeps out there that have that exact design that will post the highest RTi numbers at an event? The jeeps normal moms and people drive on a daily basis? Those exotic 5 link suspension systems that don't work?

 

[Jonnydime]

trophy truck? You mean like 99% of the jeeps out there that have that exact design that will post the highest RTi numbers at an event? The jeeps normal moms and people drive on a daily basis? Those exotic 5 link suspension systems that don't work?

He never said it doesn't work. He said it is not ideal in a heavy duty pickup that was designed from the factory with a radius arm suspension.

 

[f100cleveland]

Here's a really dumb thought I just had too. I think it's the OUO bars that are adjustable in length, right? Anyways, you guys are talking about switching from truck to truck and if it's a different length, you drill a new hole and pin it to make it a fixed length. What if you leave the pin OUT. Are the tubes long enough and tight enough tolerance that they could float front to back to help with ride and articulation but still stop the wrap when needed.


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[Breaking Habits]

trophy truck? You mean like 99% of the jeeps out there that have that exact design that will post the highest RTi numbers at an event? The jeeps normal moms and people drive on a daily basis? Those exotic 5 link suspension systems that don't work?

We're done having this conversation.

Nobody is talking about those items except for YOU. I used those as examples AGAINST, not in compliance with the vehicle at hand. This has NOTHING at all to do with jeeps. Yet you want to make stabs and say I should design suspensions for these jeeps? I really cant grasp your motive dude, I have absolutely no idea who you are, or why you are constantly jumping back and forth to points of irrelevance to the discussion.

I made a comment about not being relative to anything you are talking about actually, and talked about a radius arm superduty, with one part being thrown at it, having issues performing as it is supposed to.

You are clearly an extremely narrow minded individual attempting to take stabs and insult peoples intelligence or some sort, or continue to revert back to points that people have already said, are not relevant to the conversation.

I'm bowing out of this conversation, unfortunately, I wont be getting your business, and I am 110% content with that.

 

[Layson]

Here is a 4runner with OUO traction bars.

 

[Jonnydime]

Didn't Dodge(Ram) switch from some 4(5) link to a radius arm suspension?

 

[Layson]

Yeah Dodge did change to a radius arm style setup...LOL

 

[tbsimmons]

I'm totally in left field here, let me post Davids ORIGINAL post that you edited.

"Same concept on why a 4 linked front end on these trucks isn't the greatest"

You changed that to 3 linked. He was talking about the people that bolt on these "4 link conversions" and dont understand why their trucks bump steer and body roll...

They are in terminology a 3 linked system from the factory, I am not arguing that.

I was just putting more to why the "termed 4 link" (technically a 5 link) conversions do not perform that well and cannot properly articulate.

Like I said, I dont think you picked up the context in which I was commenting?

Gotcha.

 

[Layson]

I think everyone has seen these pictures by now.

 

[tbsimmons]

Nope, referring to this design.

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But axle wrap is a different force than normal suspension movement. Normal movement lets it float forward and back. But when the housing tries to rotate and the pinion starts going up, the shackle doesn't allow it to go upwards. This is a very common setup that has worked great for years.


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Never seen act before, maybe because I don't go to many of that type of 4x4 events.
I understand what axle wrap and normal suspension movement is thank you.
The only way I see that working is if the shackle is at a perfect 90 degrees to the frame and only for a little while. If not then it will rotate, might not a lot at first but depending on power, which that looks like a crawler truck by how short the driveline is it must have 2 transfer-cases, I would guess it is a Toyota or something with not a lot of power, it will rotate just like leaf springs look like an "S" with power and not bars. It does work PMF has one similar just a little better looking. The reason it doesn't rotate is the top and bottom is opposing forces.

 

[f100cleveland]

Never seen act before, maybe because I don't go to many of that type of 4x4 events.

I understand what axle wrap and normal suspension movement is thank you.

The only way I see that working is if the shackle is at a perfect 90 degrees to the frame and only for a little while. If not then it will rotate, might not a lot at first but depending on power, which that looks like a crawler truck by how short the driveline is it must have 2 transfer-cases, I would guess it is a Toyota or something with not a lot of power, it will rotate just like leaf springs look like an "S" with power and not bars.

Didn't mean to offend you. But I think that's why the bar needs to be mounted as close to center as possible so it's not seeing the drastic suspension changes when articulating. I'm not saying it's what to do, just asking. Anything can be built strong enough. My dad runs one on his trail truck, full size f150 with one ton axles, built big block ford, 4:1 t-case, etc. He swapped the ford leaf springs out to the 63" chevy leafs since they flex better and also only ran the two longest springs. So that thing would snap a u-joint on command without a traction bar of some type. It has held up for almost 10 years now and there's been numerous times it's been full power and on the back tires only. But his is a lot longer than the one on the picture, so that plays a huge role in it too.


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[Coueshunter]

Here is a 4runner with OUO traction bars.

Awesome example! It's lifted way past anything as the front wheel is off the ground.. Couldn't have found a more awesome picture to show limitations..

 

[Coueshunter]

I think everyone has seen these pictures by now.

You know a jeep that will out flex this truck will do the same thing at those angles correct?

You also know that the hardest of off road vehicles limit travel as there is a point where travel is useless. You do know that right?

 

[Coueshunter]

So because in this situation the suspension isn't just fully dropping out then it must bind and not have problems... Right?

Again look the tire didn't even drop out on the drivers side, it must not be able to flex or must be improperly built.. Right?

 

[Layson]

You know a jeep that will out flex this truck will do the same thing at those angles correct?

You also know that the hardest of off road vehicles limit travel as there is a point where travel is useless. You do know that right?

I certainly hope you know of a Jeep that will outflex a street driven tow rig Superduty. LOL. That Jeep isn't going to tow half the peoples trailers on this site nor will it make the kind of power and torque that a lot of these trucks make.

We are not building a crawler to go up Back Door in Johnson Valley LOL. This is a street driven, towing, and occasional offroad truck.

Travel is travel...if a stock truck comes with 10" of travel. I would like it to stay that way. Even if it is not useable in your opinion.

All we are doing is trying to make a truck not shake when it accelerates, not make it ride like **** when unloaded, be able to still tow a load, not make any noises while driving, and be able to not limit its travel. It is pretty simple.