injector capability, tuning stand point

[Charles]

Anybody already have a filesharing server where I could upload some files? Then some of the "pros" can have a good laugh at the bazillian things "wrong" in my programs, as well as the actual faults and laugh about it with their buddy's and close customers, meanwhile the people actually wanting to run a decent nozzle will have something that will WORK and can be altered for personal preference and faults can be ammended and revisions posted back to the server.

A big pile of 200%+ nozzle files so we can get past the pussy-footing phase here.


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I want to see open files where the hobbyist and professional tuner alike can source known-good files organized by nozzle size with notes on behavior for each. Then we can skip forward ten years worth of "professional" tuning timeline in a matter of months. Being free there would be no responsibility to babysit a "customer". Everyone would freely burn whatever program they wished and make any changes they liked. If they felt good about a line of changes they could post a file and contribute back to the collection.

Why not? If the people that stand to proffit from these programs find it a hassle anyway then just bypass that whole channel. Those same tuners could still charge to burn these programs for people, and the ones with burners would do it themselves.

Anybody with me? I'm sure some of my fellow large nozzle hobby tuners have programs as good and many better than what I have. Anybody else just want to peer to peer big nozzle files and knock this bs out?

If I have to read another thread like this I might puke.

 

[TyCorr]

By the way with the latest of revision the WWG2 bill has my truck making 603hp so that was like a 48hp jump just from swapping out the wheel

So my goal of 600 with my 38r and 275/200s is.doable? Especially with Bill tuning it?

 

[907DAVE]

Anybody with me? I'm sure some of my fellow large nozzle hobby tuners have programs as good and many better than what I have. Anybody else just want to peer to peer big nozzle files and knock this bs out?

I'm game. But in all reality this has been going on quite awhile now, just not in a publicly accessible location.

I do find it curious why someone needs to start an alternate username to express their opinion. How should we feel about this?

 

[TyCorr]

I would like to know more about this. If I were to purchase minotaur I could.use.file like this to get started? Maybe change something I didnt like, if anything, and then repost?

Why would someone, on the up and up, need to post.under a different name?

 

[Charles]

I'm game. But in all reality this has been going on quite awhile now, just not in a publicly accessible location.

I do find it curious why someone needs to start an alternate username to express their opinion. How should we feel about this?

I have sent some of these same files to various people via email before, although I don't know if they proved helpful or not.

But having the files with ammended versions in one place would expedite things dramatically, as well as provide excellent feedback on things like acceptability of certain aspects across multiple vehicles.

 

[Charles]

I would like to know more about this. If I were to purchase minotaur I could.use.file like this to get started? Maybe change something I didnt like, if anything, and then repost?

Correct.

 

[Charles]

Better yet... Garebear... How about a tab on the site where discussion and actual fileserving can be found.

Is everybody working with all 4 banks or are some of us just dealing in the 56k "dat" files? That would require a standard be selected between one or the other. I vote full file. I don't feel like pasting a bunch of dat files into the rest in a hex editor.

 

[TyCorr]

That would expedite me getting into tuning my own pile of parts.

 

[907DAVE]

Most of mine is in the 32k format, but can covert to full size if needed.

I agree, full programs should be the standard.

 

[neverkickn]

That would expedite me getting into tuning my own pile of parts.

Ditto.

If I blow it up, I have another motor on the stand so who cares!

 

[907DAVE]

I would hope we are well beyond that.

 

[TyCorr]

Ditto.

If I blow it up, I have another motor on the stand so who cares!

I had approached.the buying process once.but became overwhelmed by the amount of info. People said alot of the stuff doesnt need to be.messed with.

 

[neverkickn]

I had approached.the buying process once.but became overwhelmed by the amount of info. People said alot of the stuff doesnt need to be.messed with.

Same here. Was ready to pull the trigger save a little bit of a confidence deficit.

 

[Charles]

I vote to just do this and do it in the 224k format. Then anyone wanting less can just cut it out in a hex editor.

Then the big nozzle phobia can flesh itself out.

 

[TyCorr]

I vote to just do this and do it in the 224k format. Then anyone wanting less can just cut it out in a hex editor.

Then the big nozzle phobia can flesh itself out.

I think it'll come down to tuners that sponsor wont.get paid for these tunes so that might kill it.

 

[TyCorr]

I vote to just do this and do it in the 224k format. Then anyone wanting less can just cut it out in a hex editor.

Then the big nozzle phobia can flesh itself out.

I vote "yay".

 

[under pressure]

Its a cool idea for a handful of folks for sure. Considering it would be for larger nozzles, shouldn't be that big of a deal to the pro tuners ?

 

[Charles]

I think it'll come down to tuners that sponsor wont.get paid for these tunes so that might kill it.

If it's such a pita to satisfy bigger nozzled customers then it would actually benefit them to just let us goons flesh out those files on here for free rather than eating up hours on the phone and dozens of emails.

If nothing else the programs filed here would provide a grab-bag of ready-made starting points. Hell, if a customer had access to tons of files without bothering you they could tell you I like X in this file and Y in this file and then pay you to make another file combining what they liked and sell it to them. Goons like me would throw them back on the server and the pros would just use it for free "parts" so-to-speak and keep their custom mixes for themselves.

 

[Nobody Special]

It must have crossed your mind at least long enough to write it.

You need me to send you some programs? Which of these "ridiculous" nozzles scares you the most? I'm sure myself and a handful of other hobbyist each have dozens of programs that would calm your anxiety about a nozzle working the same way in more than one truck, lol.

No because I can't use them. The nozzle size doesn't scare me.

"Additionally, there are fewer and fewer people who are willing to put up with the nuances of "almost just right" concerning tuning; without the truck being right there (tuned on the spot), there is very little chance of making it as perfect as it can be without a dozen attempts at sending tuning back and forth."

As you can see, I never said it was scary. It's certainly not impossible either.

On edit:

I went and read it again. Maybe the phrases "huge finiky bitch" referring to the idea of a competitively nozzled injector behaving, or "ridiculous injectors" referring to those discussed in this thread or "cruising for jailbait" in reference to the people running them will ring some bells.

Yes, finicky injectors meaning that they are far less forgiving with sloppy tuning. Hopefully by the time somebody is ready to run injectors that are capable of flowing that much fuel, they have a whole bunch of other aftermarket parts to complement them; this is what gives each truck it's own tuning personality (and therefore an individual tuning "feel") that can't really utilize previously-written tuning that worked on a different truck.

I can't take back the comment of "ridiculous". Wrong word choice on my part. They are, however, overkill for most people who simply want to bolt on a ball bearing 38R or use the stock clutch. This is where the mention of "mall crawling" came in.

You obviously have had or at least once had a bad experience with making someone happy with a decent nozzle. Whether it was you directly, or someone you know/knew.

Nope. No bad experiences or problems.

The giving up is what separates the ones with properly running trucks from the ones running too small a nozzle because they are deathly afraid of tuning a decent nozzle.

I never said anything about giving up either. I did say that there comes a point when I feel it's not the custom tuning company's responsibility to absorb the cost of time/shipping of retune after retune when there's little to no tactile feedback from the truck and all one has to go on is word-of-mouth data from an email or telephone call. There comes a point when the customer needs to realize that every truck is different and the farther from stock one gets, the more specialized the tuning is going to get for him/her and concessions may have to be made to get the perfect state of tune.


That is all. That's my take on the subject. Not that it matters, but it's my perspective.

 

[TyCorr]

If it's such a pita to satisfy bigger nozzled customers then it would actually benefit them to just let us goons flesh out those files on here for free rather than eating up hours on the phone and dozens of emails.

If nothing else the programs filed here would provide a grab-bag of ready-made starting points. Hell, if a customer had access to tons of files without bothering you they could tell you I like X in this file and Y in this file and then pay you to make another file combining what they liked and sell it to them. Goons like me would throw them back on the server and the pros would just use it for free "parts" so-to-speak and keep their custom mixes for themselves.

You have anything for 300% nozzles? I want to go.with 200s on my 275s but to run compounds I think the additional fuel a 300 provides could be of great use. Or maybe I should stick to 200%. Ill never go bigger on injector so the 400% nozzle is out of the question.