Annnnd BOOM goes the dynomite

liquidlounge · Sep 11, 2012

ok-not doubting, but why then would one care about the drive pressure ratio? I was told to use a qssb or h2e because of the drive ratio

Big Bore · Sep 11, 2012

egt's and they are hard on the turbo, not to mention makes the turbo less efficient.

Short Bus · Sep 11, 2012

CSIPSD said:
No...

2000-2700psi cylinder pressures are not effected by 70-80psi of drive pressure... Just not going to make a differance...

Tuning, EGT's, Max HP, drivablity sure... but blow a motor because of high drive pressure??? nope.

I was just going to quote and respond to those very posts, good thing I scrolled down lol:morons:

MadDiesel73 · Sep 11, 2012

Been there done that..

TyCorr · Sep 11, 2012

MadDiesel73 said:
Been there done that..

Is your junk running/back together? How much does a motor like yours cost to build? Not.chargers or anything. Just the motor.

SouthFlstrokin' · Sep 11, 2012

F it, throw a rotary in that bitch...

MadDiesel73 · Sep 11, 2012

TyCorr said:
Is your junk running/back together? How much does a motor like yours cost to build? Not.chargers or anything. Just the motor.

It was assembles last week and checked for piston protrustion and was over on all cylinders by 10-12 thousandths. So its back apart and pistons are back at the machine shop getting cut.

Id say im gonna be at $7000 for the short block/parts/assembly/balance etc.

TyCorr · Sep 11, 2012

MadDiesel73 said:
It was assembles last week and checked for piston protrustion and was over on all cylinders by 10-12 thousandths. So its back apart and pistons are back at the machine shop getting cut.

Id say im gonna be at $7000 for the short block/parts/assembly/balance etc.

Do you feel this is a good deal? I'm not questioning it, but trying to.decide what's reasonable for a build of my own. I asked for a price by a local guy and his price was very close to that and then we argued on price/parts when his build.didn't include billet rods. He was using forged/treated but that's not gonna cut it.

Fwiw, he quoted me 6300 for balanced, ported heads, and all new springs/valves/phantoms/bearings. His pistons and rebuild stuff would be from Ford. Seems high?!

OSCS · Sep 11, 2012

TyCorr said:
Do you feel this is a good deal? I'm not questioning it, but trying to.decide what's reasonable for a build of my own. I asked for a price by a local guy and his price was very close to that and then we argued on price/parts when his build.didn't include billet rods. He was using forged/treated but that's not gonna cut it.

Fwiw, he quoted me 6300 for balanced, ported heads, and all new springs/valves/phantoms/bearings. His pistons and rebuild stuff would be from Ford. Seems high?!

very.. my guy here in houston is quoting me 2450 with a core for a short block balanced etc using forged internals. His long block is 3500 with new valve seals springs, you name it.

OSCS · Sep 11, 2012

Short Bus said:
I was just going to quote and respond to those very posts, good thing I scrolled down lol:morons:

I figured it could cause more damage to the motor than just the turbo.. oh well live and learn

Big Bore · Sep 11, 2012

3500+2500 for billets is 6000+porting...

Magnum PD · Sep 11, 2012

OP, did you have the motor apart and build it?

OSCS · Sep 11, 2012

Big Bore said:
3500+2500 for billets is 6000+porting...

he said the 6k did NOT include billet parts

OSCS · Sep 11, 2012

this is what i was quoted for w/ 18months unlimitied mileage warranty

2450 for a short block w/ core and forged internals
3500 for long block with Everything in the motor replaced w/ forged interals

OSCS · Sep 11, 2012

Magnum PD said:
OP, did you have the motor apart and build it?

top end is completely done, bottom end was never touched

TyCorr · Sep 11, 2012

OSCS said:
he said the 6k did NOT include billet parts

Right! He said another 12-1500 for billet but I don't know where he's getting them either. I'm gonna pass anyway.

OSCS · Sep 11, 2012

TyCorr said:
Right! He said another 12-1500 for billet but I don't know where he's getting them either. I'm gonna pass anyway.

my guy was charging 6k for a billet short block.. and thats just rods no girdle etc.

Big Bore · Sep 11, 2012

OSCS said:
he said the 6k did NOT include billet parts

Oh, damn, missed that part.

TARM · Sep 12, 2012

OSCS said:
very.. my guy here in houston is quoting me 2450 with a core for a short block balanced etc using forged internals.
His long block is 3500 with new valve seals springs, you name it.

OSCS said:
he said the 6k did NOT include billet parts

OSCS said:
my guy was charging 6k for a billet short block.. and thats just rods no girdle etc.

I am not following this. You say in one post 6K does not include any billet parts then in the other you state 6K is for a billet short block with billet rods it just does not include a girdle.

Now what does this 6K SHORT block include different than the forged short block @ the $2450 you were quoted other than the billet rods. 6000-2450=3550 That is a bit rich for a swap to billet rods alone and does not include subtracting off the forge rods and their prep. Does it include things like ARP mains studs as they run 300-400 which would bring the price difference much more inline. SO you stated the top end is good so all you need is a short block no head prep.

Does the 6K short block include partially filling the block? That should not add to much to cost and would help make the block more rigid with or without a girdle.

TyCorr · Sep 12, 2012

TARM said:
I am not following this. You say in one post 6K does not include any billet parts then in the other you state 6K is for a billet short block with billet rods it just does not include a girdle.

Now what does this 6K SHORT block include different than the forged short block @ the $2450 you were quoted other than the billet rods. 6000-2450=3550 That is a bit rich for a swap to billet rods alone and does not include subtracting off the forge rods and their prep. Does it include things like ARP mains studs as they run 300-400 which would bring the price difference much more inline. SO you stated the top end is good so all you need is a short block no head prep.

Does the 6K short block include partially filling the block? That should not add to much to cost and would help make the block more rigid with or without a girdle.

The inconsistencies at easily explained in his posts by the fact he was answering a question I posted. I was asking around about getting a motor built. I was quoted 6300. The heads were beefed up and ported but when I went through the list of parts with the shops owner, his list was calling for treated forged rods. We know this is not.sufficient for a build that adds power, especially for somebody that is anticipating compounds. Sorry for the confusion!

Needless to.say, I'm not considering that shop for a build. Nobody around where I live wants to touch anything on a diesel.