Wayne
Active member
Well guys, I'm sorry for what a mess this has turned out to be. I am to blame for a lot of the misinformation. Was it intentional? No. I think I can speak for both myself and JD in saying more steps should've been taken to clear up the misunderstanding of which material was used. As pretty much everyone else who's contributed to, or read this thread up to this point, he's been a little on edge, and probably spoke out of frustration in saying it wasn't worth the time.
The Elite studs have been referred to for so long as H-11, that I haven't even thought about them not being made of a different material in quite a while. A great deal of frustration on behalf of all of our head stud customers, as well as plenty of embarassment on behalf of people associated with Elite could've been avoided if this issue was cleared up sooner.
All of you please keep in mind that Elite is not the only company selling A-1 6.4L studs. Other companies who sell the A-1 studs have advertised them as H-11. Is this an excuse for any lack of clarity on behalf of Elite? No. I'm just saying Elite is not the only party contributing to the A-1 studs being misrepresented.
I will reiterate though, that until today I was not aware of ARP's and Elite studs being made of the same material. I was truly under the impression of Elite's being made of a superior material. I am disappointed to learn this, but thank oneturboforme for bringing this to light. Thanks to the guys at A-1, Tadd has also only recently become aware of the fact that the Elite material is the same as the ARP material, although he is the one who chose the material originally. (as mentioned before, ARP uses a different name) Plans were made to emphasize clarity of actual product material, but unfortunately it was not given enough priority until today.
I do, however, believe the Elite/ A-1 spec. clamping process, and fastener lube to be superior in comparison to ARP's method on torquing beyond yield. JD and Anthony were probably in the same boat on the lack of technically related head stud information. Should they have been more informed? Yes. Should we have more accurately advertised this information? Yes. We (Elite Diesel) are taking steps to ensure mistakes like this never happen again. For those who have been under the impression that the 6.4L Elite studs are made of H-11, and especially for those who have spent the extra money based off this impression, I'm sorry for any part Elite as a company and I personally may have had in the misunderstanding.
The Elite studs have been referred to for so long as H-11, that I haven't even thought about them not being made of a different material in quite a while. A great deal of frustration on behalf of all of our head stud customers, as well as plenty of embarassment on behalf of people associated with Elite could've been avoided if this issue was cleared up sooner.
All of you please keep in mind that Elite is not the only company selling A-1 6.4L studs. Other companies who sell the A-1 studs have advertised them as H-11. Is this an excuse for any lack of clarity on behalf of Elite? No. I'm just saying Elite is not the only party contributing to the A-1 studs being misrepresented.
I will reiterate though, that until today I was not aware of ARP's and Elite studs being made of the same material. I was truly under the impression of Elite's being made of a superior material. I am disappointed to learn this, but thank oneturboforme for bringing this to light. Thanks to the guys at A-1, Tadd has also only recently become aware of the fact that the Elite material is the same as the ARP material, although he is the one who chose the material originally. (as mentioned before, ARP uses a different name) Plans were made to emphasize clarity of actual product material, but unfortunately it was not given enough priority until today.
I do, however, believe the Elite/ A-1 spec. clamping process, and fastener lube to be superior in comparison to ARP's method on torquing beyond yield. JD and Anthony were probably in the same boat on the lack of technically related head stud information. Should they have been more informed? Yes. Should we have more accurately advertised this information? Yes. We (Elite Diesel) are taking steps to ensure mistakes like this never happen again. For those who have been under the impression that the 6.4L Elite studs are made of H-11, and especially for those who have spent the extra money based off this impression, I'm sorry for any part Elite as a company and I personally may have had in the misunderstanding.
