injector builders

[Dave]

FYI Sheldon will have your injectors flow benched if you request it

 

[slc dzl]

Should not have to ask for something that should be included in the cost of building a quality injector.

 

[Breaking Habits]

Thanks for the kind words on RCD Injectors

Tyler built 3 sets of 6.0 injectors for me back in the day before I worked here, never had any issues !

Jared

 

[windrunner408]

Should not have to ask for something that should be included in the cost of building a quality injector.

This is merely a matter of opinion. IMO, flow sheets from the injector builder of their own injectors is worth about as much as the paper the flow values are printed on. If you're not going to trust the injector builder to build your injectors correctly the first time, then the only way to verify that they were done correctly is to have them flowed by a third party. Either way if the injectors are off it'll show up in some form or fashion (flow, vehicle performance, etc.). I think it's hilarious with all of this nut swinging of "certain mfg's injectors" because they flow test their own injectors.
For the record, I'm not arguing that injectors shouldn't be flow tested. I just think they should be flow tested by an independent party and even then those results could get skewed.

 

[loboost]

FYI Sheldon will have your injectors flow benched if you request it

He did good to freakin get mine to me let alone have em flowed

 

[Powerstroked162]

This is merely a matter of opinion. IMO, flow sheets from the injector builder of their own injectors is worth about as much as the paper the flow values are printed on. If you're not going to trust the injector builder to build your injectors correctly the first time, then the only way to verify that they were done correctly is to have them flowed by a third party. Either way if the injectors are off it'll show up in some form or fashion (flow, vehicle performance, etc.). I think it's hilarious with all of this nut swinging of "certain mfg's injectors" because they flow test their own injectors.
For the record, I'm not arguing that injectors shouldn't be flow tested. I just think they should be flow tested by an independent party and even then those results could get skewed.

Quoted to respond to later. What an epic post.


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[02BigD]

Quoted to respond to later. What an epic post.


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There is definitely a lot to .....ummmm....respond to.

Wow.

 

[BlueWaffle]

This is merely a matter of opinion. IMO, flow sheets from the injector builder of their own injectors is worth about as much as the paper the flow values are printed on. If you're not going to trust the injector builder to build your injectors correctly the first time, then the only way to verify that they were done correctly is to have them flowed by a third party. Either way if the injectors are off it'll show up in some form or fashion (flow, vehicle performance, etc.). I think it's hilarious with all of this nut swinging of "certain mfg's injectors" because they flow test their own injectors.
For the record, I'm not arguing that injectors shouldn't be flow tested. I just think they should be flow tested by an independent party and even then those results could get skewed.

well the companies that flow their sticks don't have CONSISTENT injector failures. The companies that don't flow test have injectors going back to them damn near every day it seems like.

 

[04cr450]

What did your dad do before retirement?

My father was/is a diesel mechanic for international. Building injectors was his thing, but can do it all as far as working on a diesel engine. He has his own shop as well- he has since auctioned off a lot of his tools, machines for building motors, etc etc.. He still has his shop and I pick his brain every now and then but the last thing he wants to here is diesel engines lol the man had been building them ever since he was a kid and hes 58...

 

[04cr450]

You mind giving me your name so I can check our records and flow sheets? Thats a pretty, pretty bold claim you've made there. I find it extremely hard to believe that I wouldn't have heard about this by now. For the amount of money those injectors cost, I wouldn't imagine not calling our company about it. Would really like to know some more info on this. I'll be awaiting for your reply or you can call me at the shop anytime. 615-962-8291

They were not my injectors sir but I will find out in the morning- ill call my dad and he can pull up the records.. I believe the person did contact you and got things resolved though- not talking bad about you at all just stated an example. give me until morning thanks

 

[04cr450]

You gotta know though his dad builds em better than you.. LOL


Hellen Keller sent this?

how the heck can u say that statement..... My father has built more motors / injectors and turbochargers than anyone on this forum(maybe, I don't have proof) but the man has been building diesel engines since he was able to work legally and he quit at 58 so u tell me sir?

 

[04cr450]

This has turned into something I didn't want to .... Bottom line is- I have seen flaws in person from big name/great injector builders, I believe in getting your own injectors flowed yourself that way you know if they are true or not. I only say this due to what I have seen in the past- I think that holds some validity. I am by NO MEANS bashing ANY injector companies, just stating that they ALL can have problems and by them flow testing there own injectors doesn't always mean they are flowed to what they say they are. Thanks for all the input and opinons here... Ill continue to stick to my dad for building my next set of injectors.

 

[loboost]

This has turned into something I didn't want to .... Bottom line is- I have seen flaws in person from big name/great injector builders, I believe in getting your own injectors flowed yourself that way you know if they are true or not. I only say this due to what I have seen in the past- I think that holds some validity. I am by NO MEANS bashing ANY injector companies, just stating that they ALL can have problems and by them flow testing there own injectors doesn't always mean they are flowed to what they say they are. Thanks for all the input and opinons here... Ill continue to stick to my dad for building my next set of injectors.

I've gotta feeling if I had mine flowed I'd be pissed...

But ya know...what does one do, after the fact of buying & installing if they have a set flowed and they're not what they ordered? For example, can my set of 205s that probably wont flow 205cc of fuel, be modified further to ACTUALLY flow 205cc of fuel? Or are they just what they are at this point ?

 

[slc dzl]

This is merely a matter of opinion. IMO, flow sheets from the injector builder of their own injectors is worth about as much as the paper the flow values are printed on. If you're not going to trust the injector builder to build your injectors correctly the first time, then the only way to verify that they were done correctly is to have them flowed by a third party. Either way if the injectors are off it'll show up in some form or fashion (flow, vehicle performance, etc.). I think it's hilarious with all of this nut swinging of "certain mfg's injectors" because they flow test their own injectors.
For the record, I'm not arguing that injectors shouldn't be flow tested. I just think they should be flow tested by an independent party and even then those results could get skewed.

Quality control, not nut swinging here just simply pointing out that the companies that flow there product simply care enough to make sure what they are sending out the door is a Quality product.

And I find it hilarious that the bigger majority of the 6.0 help new injector threads are from the companies that "only flow when asked"
And whats even funnier to me is the "good customer service" he swapped the injectors no questions asked all 3 times haha...

 

[Vizsla]

Quoted to respond to later. What an epic post.
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Sick of waiting, need a chuckle!

 

[Breaking Habits]

This is merely a matter of opinion. IMO, flow sheets from the injector builder of their own injectors is worth about as much as the paper the flow values are printed on. If you're not going to trust the injector builder to build your injectors correctly the first time, then the only way to verify that they were done correctly is to have them flowed by a third party. Either way if the injectors are off it'll show up in some form or fashion (flow, vehicle performance, etc.). I think it's hilarious with all of this nut swinging of "certain mfg's injectors" because they flow test their own injectors.
For the record, I'm not arguing that injectors shouldn't be flow tested. I just think they should be flow tested by an independent party and even then those results could get skewed.

See, the cool thing about an honest flow sheet, no matter what, if the injector doesn't work when installed in the customers truck, you know it's a preexisting issue, or improper installation. It helps us to cut down unnecessary injector claims, and we know every set of injectors that leaves our shop is 100% spot on. Not just some junk 03 core that passed a buzz test, etc.

It's the same as other brands being supported and people getting but hurt and throwing the but swinger comment out.

Go ahead call me a nut swinger, your exact right.

Swinging in the nuts of quality!

 

[Powerstroked162]

So is flow testing just as much of a crap shoot?? I bet we would be best off if we bought injectors that were built and flowed by company A, then send them to company B for double checking, and then if off, send them to company C for a third opinion. LOL LOL LOL

This is merely a matter of opinion. IMO, flow sheets from the injector builder of their own injectors is worth about as much as the paper the flow values are printed on. If you're not going to trust the injector builder to build your injectors correctly the first time, then the only way to verify that they were done correctly is to have them flowed by a third party. Either way if the injectors are off it'll show up in some form or fashion (flow, vehicle performance, etc.). I think it's hilarious with all of this nut swinging of "certain mfg's injectors" because they flow test their own injectors.
For the record, I'm not arguing that injectors shouldn't be flow tested. I just think they should be flow tested by an independent party and even then those results could get skewed.

First off, let me say that I have never seen a shop openly admit to potential customers that they DON'T believe in quality control/customer service and would rather send product out to customers with high hope it works right the first time, but plan ahead to replace and replace until it finally does. I'm hoping thats not what you meant but judging by a few of your posts, I can't be to sure about that...

Second, what proof do you have to support these claims you are making about injector shops in our little pond providing false documentation to customers about their injector outputs and capabilities? I'm guessing you have nothing and are just talking because you like the sound of your voice. If thats the case, you should take a step back and realize that the best in the 6.0 industry didn't get there by providing their customers with bad injectors and flowsheets made on Excel. I'd also be willing to bet that a few of those shops probably don't appreciate you insinuating they would do any such thing. It's actually pretty sh!tty of you, in my book.

Third, Please tell me what is so funny about customers voicing their appreciation for the time their injector builder took to have the product verified by a calibrated bench before shipping it out to them. To me, that's not funny at all. Given today's 6.0 injector market, I'm actually glad to see that shops like RCD, MPD, Cass, Swamps, etc., do what's needed to make sure that their customers don't have to play musical injectors 3-4 times to get their truck running right. So if members agree that only a few shops have customer service and quality control down when it comes to something as precise as aftermarket injectors, then I say we should all listen and thank them for saving others money and downtime. Not label them "nut swingers" because they wont entertain the idea of buying unproven crap that will have them chasing down issues until the day they have to remove and replace with a quality made counterpart.

Anyway, My thoughts side with the majority of members feelings. Flowed before they go out, quality product over cheaper product every time

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[TooMuch03]

This has turned into something I didn't want to .... Bottom line is- I have seen flaws in person from big name/great injector builders, I believe in getting your own injectors flowed yourself that way you know if they are true or not. I only say this due to what I have seen in the past- I think that holds some validity. I am by NO MEANS bashing ANY injector companies, just stating that they ALL can have problems and by them flow testing there own injectors doesn't always mean they are flowed to what they say they are. Thanks for all the input and opinons here... Ill continue to stick to my dad for building my next set of injectors.

Exactly.

I've gotta feeling if I had mine flowed I'd be pissed...

But ya know...what does one do, after the fact of buying & installing if they have a set flowed and they're not what they ordered? For example, can my set of 205s that probably wont flow 205cc of fuel, be modified further to ACTUALLY flow 205cc of fuel? Or are they just what they are at this point ?

I doubt you would be pissed, but either way, yes you can have them rebuilt to the size you want, or close, depending on how they are built currently

well the companies that flow their sticks don't have CONSISTENT injector failures.

This has not always been my experience.

First off, let me say that I have never seen a shop openly admit to potential customers that they DON'T believe in quality control/customer service and would rather send product out to customers with high hope it works right the first time, but plan ahead to replace and replace until it finally does. I'm hoping thats not what you meant but judging by a few of your posts, I can't be to sure about that...

Nor have I. That is simply a bad business practice, and the way I read Nate's post, he is not suggesting that at all. In fact He clearly states that he is not saying what you seem to think he is saying. I am beginning to think reading comprehension is not one of your strengths.

Second, what proof do you have to support these claims you are making about injector shops in our little pond providing false documentation to customers about their injector outputs and capabilities? I'm guessing you have nothing and are just talking because you like the sound of your voice. If thats the case, you should take a step back and realize that the best in the 6.0 industry didn't get there by providing their customers with bad injectors and flowsheets made on Excel. I'd also be willing to bet that a few of those shops probably don't appreciate you insinuating they would do any such thing. It's actually pretty sh!tty of you, in my book.

We are back to the reading comprehension issue. I see two examples in this thread alone, one I lived first hand not too long ago, where the flow sheets provided with the injectors did not match the flow results from a third party. The proof is there, just read. I am not sure why you are taking this so personally. While you see the recommendation to have injectors flow tested by a third party as a slap in the face to these shops, I see it as a good way for the customer to ensure that they get what they pay for, good business practice for the consumer. Any shop that is truly building honest injectors should have no problem with the customer wanting to double check their work.

Third, Please tell me what is so funny about customers voicing their appreciation for the time their injector builder took to have the product verified by a calibrated bench before shipping it out to them. To me, that's not funny at all. Given today's 6.0 injector market, I'm actually glad to see that shops like RCD, MPD, Cass, Swamps, etc., do what's needed to make sure that their customers don't have to play musical injectors 3-4 times to get their truck running right. So if members agree that only a few shops have customer service and quality control down when it comes to something as precise as aftermarket injectors, then I say we should all listen and thank them for saving others money and downtime. Not label them "nut swingers" because they wont entertain the idea of buying unproven crap that will have them chasing down issues until the day they have to remove and replace with a quality made counterpart.

Anyway, My thoughts side with the majority of members feelings. Flowed before they go out, quality product over cheaper product every time.

I don't find it funny either. I actually find it annoying and altogether counter-productive. If I wanted to hear propaganda and advertising for any given company, I would just call them. I come here to get real life experience and feedback. It stops being real world feedback, and becomes nutswinging when it goes beyond people relating their personal experience to mindlessly bashing any competitor to the product they purchased. As far as I am concerned, if an individual has no personal experience with a cerain product, their opinion of that product is useless. All the useless mudslinging just makes it harder for members to find relevant information about products, and makes those with actual experience less likely to share. I won't be thanking anyone for that.

Finally, the notion that higher price somehow equals higher quality is absurd. In many casess, you do get what you pay for, but it is not universally true that by spending more, you are guaranteed higher quality. The educated consumer is a wary consumer, and I see no reason why anyone should get upset about the recommendation to have the injectors flowed by a third party.

 

[Powerstroked162]

Reading comprehension is definietly my strong suite. Mindrunner said exactly what I interpreted, again, along with other members. This isn't the .org where people come to hear a nobody make idiotic claims about quality, reputable shops, ripping people off with false documentation. What would a shop like RCD stand to gain by falsifying paperwork to a customer? It's absolutely insane to suggest that injectors "don't need to be flowed because if there are problems they will show up in the truck". That's a fools recipe for piss poor business. Mind you, that's the same recipe that some injector companies in the 6.0 market seem fixated on because....*drum roll*.... It keeps their prices down and helps them sell crap faster. How they make money dealing with shipping injectors back and fourth 3-4 times until the truck runs *somewhat* right is beyond me but hey, if no quality control and bad customer service is their thing, who am I to stop them? The bottom line is that telling customers/people who think your guys theory of "musical injectors" is idiotic, that they are nut swingers is brainless. These folks spent good money and got good quality in return, with legit documentation to validate their purchase... And guess what??!! They didn't have to ship injectors back and fourth to get a truck to run the way it should, AND they didn't have to know enough about aftermarket injectors to request services to guarentee that they were getting what they paid for.


Good luck trying to convince people they shouldn't trust reputable shops and that backyardigans do it just as good. Facts are stacked against that hair brained hypothesis

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[BlueWaffle]

I love my flow bench results...just sayin