injector builders

[Powerstroked162]

well the companies that flow their sticks don't have CONSISTENT injector failures. The companies that don't flow test have injectors going back to them damn near every day it seems like.

Spot on. I bet it's 20/1 odds


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[Powerstroked162]

I love my flow bench results...just sayin

They are fake. Look closely, they were drawn in crayon to lure you in....... LOL


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[Breaking Habits]

You know what the entirely best part of everything is.

You get what you pay for statement is true, but get this.

Given the fact that our failure rate has dropped 10 fold since our hartridge came into the game, we've also been able to lower our injector modification prices below EVERYONE else on the market, so not only do you get top quality product, you get it at killer pricing, and guess what, its performed on your working injectors.

If you modify only a customers injectors and take the "changing hands of used cores" like everyone used to do, you completely eliminate the pissed off people who send in 40,000 mile injectors out of an 07 and get back 200,000 mile 03 cores.

You get back what you send in. If theres a problem with any of the injectors, you are notified before your injectors are modified and you are allotted the opportunity to replace that injector at said time. You are completely in control of how things work.

Plenty of members on here have come in and toured the facility, and have watched Tylers injector modification process. His fuel room is SPOTLESS, and his process of building them is completely meticulous. No mismatched parts, just clean simple assembly line workmanship.

Some people drive the price down and pray for lack of warranty claims, theres a reason we were able to invest so much into our fuel shop. Quality Worksmanship + High Efficiency + Low Return Rate = Recipe for success!

Jared

 

[strokin6L]

You know what the entirely best part of everything is.

You get what you pay for statement is true, but get this.

Given the fact that our failure rate has dropped 10 fold since our hartridge came into the game, we've also been able to lower our injector modification prices below EVERYONE else on the market, so not only do you get top quality product, you get it at killer pricing, and guess what, its performed on your working injectors.

If you modify only a customers injectors and take the "changing hands of used cores" like everyone used to do, you completely eliminate the pissed off people who send in 40,000 mile injectors out of an 07 and get back 200,000 mile 03 cores.

You get back what you send in. If theres a problem with any of the injectors, you are notified before your injectors are modified and you are allotted the opportunity to replace that injector at said time. You are completely in control of how things work.

Plenty of members on here have come in and toured the facility, and have watched Tylers injector modification process. His fuel room is SPOTLESS, and his process of building them is completely meticulous. No mismatched parts, just clean simple assembly line workmanship.

Some people drive the price down and pray for lack of warranty claims, theres a reason we were able to invest so much into our fuel shop. Quality Worksmanship + High Efficiency + Low Return Rate = Recipe for success!

Jared

I like hearing this jared! You guys will definitely get business when I need injector work done!

 

[MorganY]

I love my flow bench results...just sayin

Trolol

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[TooMuch03]

Reading comprehension is definietly my strong suite.

Clearly not.

Mindrunner said exactly what I interpreted, again, along with other members. This isn't the .org where people come to hear a nobody make idiotic claims about quality, reputable shops, ripping people off with false documentation.

No, it's the army where people like you dogpile on anyone who doesn't not share your exact point of view. Whether or not you chose to believe the "claims" that were brought up here, the fact that incorrect documentation has been provided in the past still stands. Perhaps if you had spent your own hard earned cash on injectors with documentation, only to find out later that the injectors didn't not actually match the provided documentation, you too wouldn't have so much confidence in the flow sheets from the manufacturer.

What would a shop like RCD stand to gain by falsifying paperwork to a customer? It's absolutely insane to suggest that injectors "don't need to be flowed because if there are problems they will show up in the truck". That's a fools recipe for piss poor business.

I don't know, neither have I accused them of doing so. Again, reading comprehension. I have quoted exactly what "Mindrunner" said, which is clearly the opposite of what you interpreted.

For the record, I'm not arguing that injectors shouldn't be flow tested. I just think they should be flow tested by an independent party

It seems we are all in agreement that injectors should be flow tested.

Mind you, that's the same recipe that some injector companies in the 6.0 market seem fixated on because....*drum roll*.... It keeps their prices down and helps them sell crap faster. How they make money dealing with shipping injectors back and fourth 3-4 times until the truck runs *somewhat* right is beyond me but hey, if no quality control and bad customer service is their thing, who am I to stop them? The bottom line is that telling customers/people who think your guys theory of "musical injectors" is idiotic, that they are nut swingers is brainless.

Please, stop making this so easy for me. No one has even remotely suggested that playing "musical injectors" as you call it is acceptable or good practice for businesses or customers. I am not even sure you read what people post. If you would like, I would gladly site examples from this thread to illustrate the difference between nutswinging and prodiving personal experience, since you clearly don't understand the difference.

These folks spent good money and got good quality in return, with legit documentation to validate their purchase... And guess what??!! They didn't have to ship injectors back and fourth to get a truck to run the way it should, AND they didn't have to know enough about aftermarket injectors to request services to guarentee that they were getting what they paid for.

You aren't suggesting that those involved in diesel performance, especially 6.0 performance, don't need to be educated about their engines or the parts they are installing, are you? I sure hope not. I hope you can agree that education about aftermarket parts is paramount for anyone wishing to modify their vehicle. If a person is unwillling to take the time to learn about their engine and the parts they plan to install, they have no business modifying their truck. They should take it to a shop, spend an extraordinary amount of money, and have the work done for them.

Good luck trying to convince people they shouldn't trust reputable shops and that backyardigans do it just as good. Facts are stacked against that hair brained hypothesis .

Perhaps you should step down from your high horse for a moment, and realize that all the big name shops were once "backyardigans" too. To think that a product is lesser quality because it doesn't have a fancy sticker and massive price tag is asinine. In the end it is up to the cusotmer to make sure that they are truly getting what they are paying for, that is why I don't think the recommendation for thrid party testing is unreasonable.

 

[TooMuch03]

You know what the entirely best part of everything is.

You get what you pay for statement is true, but get this.

Given the fact that our failure rate has dropped 10 fold since our hartridge came into the game, we've also been able to lower our injector modification prices below EVERYONE else on the market, so not only do you get top quality product, you get it at killer pricing, and guess what, its performed on your working injectors.

If you modify only a customers injectors and take the "changing hands of used cores" like everyone used to do, you completely eliminate the pissed off people who send in 40,000 mile injectors out of an 07 and get back 200,000 mile 03 cores.

You get back what you send in. If theres a problem with any of the injectors, you are notified before your injectors are modified and you are allotted the opportunity to replace that injector at said time. You are completely in control of how things work.

Plenty of members on here have come in and toured the facility, and have watched Tylers injector modification process. His fuel room is SPOTLESS, and his process of building them is completely meticulous. No mismatched parts, just clean simple assembly line workmanship.

Some people drive the price down and pray for lack of warranty claims, theres a reason we were able to invest so much into our fuel shop. Quality Worksmanship + High Efficiency + Low Return Rate = Recipe for success!

Jared

Thanks Jared. Your post is exactly the type of information that I think the OP was after when this thread was started. It also proves the point that higher quality does not have to mean higher prices.

 

[04cr450]

You know what the entirely best part of everything is.

You get what you pay for statement is true, but get this.

Given the fact that our failure rate has dropped 10 fold since our hartridge came into the game, we've also been able to lower our injector modification prices below EVERYONE else on the market, so not only do you get top quality product, you get it at killer pricing, and guess what, its performed on your working injectors.

If you modify only a customers injectors and take the "changing hands of used cores" like everyone used to do, you completely eliminate the pissed off
people who send in 40,000 mile injectors out of an 07 and get back 200,000 mile 03 cores.
I like hearing this as well.. Good deal. Hey jarred, do you guys make your own nozzles? If not its a good idea too- very easy from what I have seen and cost efficient.....
You get back what you send in. If theres a problem with any of the injectors, you are notified before your injectors are modified and you are allotted the opportunity to replace that injector at said time. You are completely in control of how things work.

Plenty of members on here have come in and toured the facility, and have watched Tylers injector modification process. His fuel room is SPOTLESS, and his process of building them is completely meticulous. No mismatched parts, just clean simple assembly line workmanship.

Some people drive the price down and pray for lack of warranty claims, theres a reason we were able to invest so much into our fuel shop. Quality Worksmanship + High Efficiency + Low Return Rate = Recipe for success!

Jared

I like hearing this as well.. Good deal. Hey jarred, do you guys make your own nozzles? If not its a good idea too- very easy from what I have seen and cost efficient.....

 

[Powerstroked162]

Clearly not.



No, it's the army where people like you dogpile on anyone who doesn't not share your exact point of view. Whether or not you chose to believe the "claims" that were brought up here, the fact that incorrect documentation has been provided in the past still stands. Perhaps if you had spent your own hard earned cash on injectors with documentation, only to find out later that the injectors didn't not actually match the provided documentation, you too wouldn't have so much confidence in the flow sheets from the manufacturer.



I don't know, neither have I accused them of doing so. Again, reading comprehension. I have quoted exactly what "Mindrunner" said, which is clearly the opposite of what you interpreted.

It seems we are all in agreement that injectors should be flow tested.



Please, stop making this so easy for me. No one has even remotely suggested that playing "musical injectors" as you call it is acceptable or good practice for businesses or customers. I am not even sure you read what people post. If you would like, I would gladly site examples from this thread to illustrate the difference between nutswinging and prodiving personal experience, since you clearly don't understand the difference.



You aren't suggesting that those involved in diesel performance, especially 6.0 performance, don't need to be educated about their engines or the parts they are installing, are you? I sure hope not. I hope you can agree that education about aftermarket parts is paramount for anyone wishing to modify their vehicle. If a person is unwillling to take the time to learn about their engine and the parts they plan to install, they have no business modifying their truck. They should take it to a shop, spend an extraordinary amount of money, and have the work done for them.



Perhaps you should step down from your high horse for a moment, and realize that all the big name shops were once "backyardigans" too. To think that a product is lesser quality because it doesn't have a fancy sticker and massive price tag is asinine. In the end it is up to the cusotmer to make sure that they are truly getting what they are paying for, that is why I don't think the recommendation for thrid party testing is unreasonable.

Not even worth the effort. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where to spend the money and where not to. So far neither of you two have provided ANY data to support your assumptious claims. I can support mine. Either way, membership and I see eye to eye on the subject, try reading outside your comfort zone. Out of all this though, I'm glad that customers had the opportunity to see a sponsor post that he doesn't believe in quality control or good customer service. That should save potential buyers a lot of heartache and frustration when they go to spend their money


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[Powerstroked162]

Thanks Jared. Your post is exactly the type of information that I think the OP was after when this thread was started. It also proves the point that higher quality does not have to mean higher prices.

LOL :doh: you were just slamming people FOR repping a shop like RCD. Now you're on board??

 

[04cr450]

Toomuch 03.- Thanks for making your point over to absolute performance guy.. Hes a real trip, and I guess thinks I don't know squat due to how many posts I have etc etc.. Its sad.. Thanks though... Yes I want to hear comments/information from guys like jared from RCD.

 

[Powerstroked162]

Toomuch 03.- Thanks for making your point over to absolute performance guy.. Hes a real trip, and I guess thinks I don't know squat due to how many posts I have etc etc.. Its sad.. Thanks though... Yes I want to hear comments/information from guys like jared from RCD.

Yup. It has nothing to do with just reading your posts lol


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[04cr450]

^Your right Im not an injector builder and never claimed to say I was but- I am around an injector builder and a good one too. Im not blind and I watch and learn and when I see problems that are discovered, I post info to guys like I just did in this thread.. And ask questions, then we can find solutions and prevent problems not to arise again..... Just like modified dd solenoids... When GOGO ran off with peoples money- you find solutions and guess what? I made my own! Well not technically- its just an EPC solenoid modified to fit...(that's all a "dd modified solenoid" is)

 

[windrunner408]

Not even worth the effort. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where to spend the money and where not to. So far neither of you two have provided ANY data to support your assumptious claims. I can support mine. Either way, membership and I see eye to eye on the subject, try reading outside your comfort zone. Out of all this though, I'm glad that customers had the opportunity to see a sponsor post that he doesn't believe in quality control or good customer service. That should save potential buyers a lot of heartache and frustration when they go to spend their money.

Wow!!! Without referring to anyone else's comments. I just LOVE the Army. It is one place where you can be assured, that speaking your mind will BOTH be taken the wrong way and will ostracize you from any real discussion about performance theories.

No where in my post did I say or infer that I do not believe in quality control. NOR did I state or imply that reputable companies like RCD, Full Force, and MPD were lying or falsifying their their documentation on their injectors. And neither did I imply that "backyardigans" can build better or worse products than so called "big name" companies. Way to just take words written in a post, twist them to meet your agenda, and run with it. Good job!!! :thumbup: You should go work for a news company so you can *** up what people say even more.

At the end of all the song and dance, folks have to have confidence in what they bought will actually perform. Period. In the case of injectors, IF a flow sheet accompanied with their injectors from the mfg is what they need to have the warm fuzzy that their injectors had the proper level of quality control when they were built, then ok. However, for me, I don't care where I bought the injectors from, I would send them out some where else to see how they flowed before I stuck them in my truck. I'm not saying anything new here that hasn't already been said, but am just reiterating as repition is the key to EFFECTIVE learning and reading comprehension skills.

 

[Mdub707]

I always love a good 6.0 performance injector thread. Good times.

 

[BlueWaffle]

personally I don't care by who or how many times a set is flowed but just for arguments sake, why does the mfg not satisfy your QA/QC concerns? if anything, when a mfg claims that their product has been evaluated and tested under their quality control measures, they would have even more vested interest in making sure the product they are selling performs as advertised. otherwise confidence in their product would evaporate. in my industry, manufacturers backing their product with strict quality control measures and internal certifications demands a premium. in fact, the internal testing that goes into our products makes up a MASSIVE portion of our COGS (cost of goods sold) but our customers recognize the value and $$ behind our QC process and that's one reason they pay more for it.

 

[bigrpowr]

Hey jarred, do you guys make your own nozzles? If not its a good idea too- very easy from what I have seen and cost efficient......

you are joking right.

i know what it takes and its not a drill bit.

 

[TooMuch03]

Not even worth the effort. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where to spend the money and where not to. So far neither of you two have provided ANY data to support your assumptious claims. I can support mine. Either way, membership and I see eye to eye on the subject, try reading outside your comfort zone. Out of all this though, I'm glad that customers had the opportunity to see a sponsor post that he doesn't believe in quality control or good customer service. That should save potential buyers a lot of heartache and frustration when they go to spend their money.

LOL :doh: you were just slamming people FOR repping a shop like RCD. Now you're on board??

Tell me something, are you actively trying to misinterpret everything that is being said? It really is not that hard to understand. I am not slamming anyone for being happy with their purchase and sharing that. I am saying that it is possible to do that without bashing other products you have no experience with. Jared's post was informative and that is what this place SHOULD be about.

As for my "assumptious" claim that my injectors didn't flow what the sheet said. It is true, I didn't just make that up now to get you all worked up over nothing. I have mentioned it several times here in the past. I am sure you even read it, just might not have understood. Its okay, I will try to use smaller words for you in the future. You can support your claim? what exactly is that? That MPD and RCD build good injectors? No one here has even disputed that. That all flow sheets sent with injectors are accurate? Tell me about all the independent testing you have done...

I am not sure what you mean by reading outside my comfort zone, but I have read some James Fennimore Cooper. The dialect he uses is definitely oustside my comfort zone. :shrug:

 

[Powerstroked162]

^Your right Im not an injector builder and never claimed to say I was but- I am around an injector builder and a good one too. Im not blind and I watch and learn and when I see problems that are discovered, I post info to guys like I just did in this thread.. And ask questions, then we can find solutions and prevent problems not to arise again..... Just like modified dd solenoids... When GOGO ran off with peoples money- you find solutions and guess what? I made my own! Well not technically- its just an EPC solenoid modified to fit...(that's all a "dd modified solenoid" is)

You came here pushing a non sponsor product and wouldn't take the responses given to you by many with experience. You were fishing and you came up empty. Everybody tried to explain what we could. Maybe you should go back and re-read what was written to you? And I can't speak for GoGo but my direct drive is not what you described.

Wow!!! Without referring to anyone else's comments. I just LOVE the Army. It is one place where you can be assured, that speaking your mind will BOTH be taken the wrong way and will ostracize you from any real discussion about performance theories.

No where in my post did I say or infer that I do not believe in quality control. NOR did I state or imply that reputable companies like RCD, Full Force, and MPD were lying or falsifying their their documentation on their injectors. And neither did I imply that "backyardigans" can build better or worse products than so called "big name" companies. Way to just take words written in a post, twist them to meet your agenda, and run with it. Good job!!! :thumbup: You should go work for a news company so you can *** up what people say even more.

At the end of all the song and dance, folks have to have confidence in what they bought will actually perform. Period. In the case of injectors, IF a flow sheet accompanied with their injectors from the mfg is what they need to have the warm fuzzy that their injectors had the proper level of quality control when they were built, then ok. However, for me, I don't care where I bought the injectors from, I would send them out some where else to see how they flowed before I stuck them in my truck. I'm not saying anything new here that hasn't already been said, but am just reiterating as repition is the key to EFFECTIVE learning and reading comprehension skills.

Well, maybe you should re-read your post, my response, and the next 4-5 responses made by members to your post, to see where we are coming from. Nobody is trying to twist anything. In fact I even mentioned that I have you the benefit of the doubt. A couple of you seem to be hell bent on cutting people down who don't agree with your poor man's advocate stance. It doesn't come across like you are welcoming discussion but more like you think people are stupid for "nut swinging" and expecting flow sheets from their builder of choice.

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[Powerstroked162]

Tell me something, are you actively trying to misinterpret everything that is being said? It really is not that hard to understand. I am not slamming anyone for being happy with their purchase and sharing that. I am saying that it is possible to do that without bashing other products you have no experience with. Jared's post was informative and that is what this place SHOULD be about.

As for my "assumptious" claim that my injectors didn't flow what the sheet said. It is true, I didn't just make that up now to get you all worked up over nothing. I have mentioned it several times here in the past. I am sure you even read it, just might not have understood. Its okay, I will try to use smaller words for you in the future. You can support your claim? what exactly is that? That MPD and RCD build good injectors? No one here has even disputed that. That all flow sheets sent with injectors are accurate? Tell me about all the independent testing you have done...

I am not sure what you mean by reading outside my comfort zone, but I have read some James Fennimore Cooper. The dialect he uses is definitely oustside my comfort zone. :shrug:

There's a search function in the tool bar. It will answer every question you just posed. Give it a shot

Post the before and after flow sheets and where you bought the set from that was "flowed" before you got them, how much they were off and who fixed it it for you. We will start there. Thanks

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