Mad stage 3 hits 605 rwhp with 190/100

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205s + 68mm CAST Charger Netted 642 on a dialed in superflow.. Brandon hasnt ran the truck yet, but its a legit number none the less.

I've got 4 trucks right now getting Batmo68's with 205s on 2 and 225's on the other 2.. we'll see how they do :)

Your guys 70mm should be killer.

I wish you the best, you guys at RCD are good people, made me feel wanted here on the forum when I first came on, and I respect that. I'm trying to get my build ready but may not make it till next year. I want to run the stage 5 72mm turbo with a combo set up that has not been seen before. A mixture of different out of the box thinking, should be alot of fun, either it works and I get huge numbers or not so much.
 

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First of all I'm not going to get into a pissing match....

Yea don't do that. There is already enough of that in the 6.4 forums... LOL LOL LOL LOL

I will continue to do what I do and will not go away, I let my turbos do the talking and they will continue.

Yep and "the beatings will continue until moral improves"... LOL LOL LOL LOL
 
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First of all I'm not going to get into a pissing match, I wasn't trying to being rude either. I do hold the hightest number for certain injectors, it's not a claim it' a fact, tell me, or show me anyone else that has done the same. The only reason I mention it is that it seems some want to push off the hard work I have done as a fluke, and down play it. Down playing or whatever some want to say about my efforts are only going to last so long, meaning the more turbos I sell the more numbers and performance will come out and it won't be able to ignore it. Once I get things going and have pullers and drag trucks running my turbos, unless you run one one you won't be able to get the same performance., and as far as rude goes I think that some treat me that way, and if I get treated that way I will come back that way.
Now as far as one truck BS let me say this, I event was starting to go down hill for me, two trucks that were supposed to be there couldn't, than the truck that the stage 3 was going on didn't make it. I decided to try to make the event positive for me by building a stage 2 on the back on the tail gate of the truck we were putting the stage 3 on. I also rebuilt a stage 1 to get ready for another truck. The decidition was made right then, the tuning used for the stage 2 and 3 are just regular tunes written for defueling 190 with stock turbo. If we would have had some tunes written for 190 with more fuel added the horsepower numbers would have been different. I only built one stage 3 and is a prototype, I wanted to see what it did before I start building more.
Alittle about myself, I'm a one man show, I work out of my garage at home, reseached and developed my own turbos, put my own money into them, never asked for any backing from anyone, so if I'm stepping on some of diesel shop toes, that have money then sorry. It is not like me to stay silent, and will give respect as it is given to me. I will continue to do what I do and will not go away, I let my turbos do the talking and they will continue.

I'm not looking to get into a pissing match either - just clarifying some of the concerns about stating a record. There is a reason that records in many organizations require a backup run or a validation run. I'm not saying anything bad about you or your product - just helping to clarify what people are asking for. You yourself don't even know if it was a one off fluke - you just stated it was a prototype and its the first and only truck its been on for its first measurement of performance. I'm all about making records and making claims - but people are going to throw a BS flag on anyone that can't back up those claims. Back them up and show them what can be done. I'm sure there are many that are watching in anticipation of backed up results that are interested and ready buy a product with sufficient evidentiary support that it does as it claims to do.
 

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Makes sense man. We'll get some more numbers. It wont be on a track with my truck though. I would really love to run it down the track if I could. I'll tell you what, get me hooked up for a deal on a built tranny that I can replace this one with when it blows and I'll run it down the track. Like Adrian said, we weren't even planning on running it on my truck but it was there so why not try it?? Now as far as claiming that this number is BS is fine with me. I would have even said it was BS if it was much higher but to me it is reasonable. Take Lance's truck with his 68mm Powermax running 190/100s and he is claiming damn near the same number with his track times. This turbo has a larger turbine than his turbo does so it should spin the compressor faster to flow more air and make more power. Again just throwing out my observations and aside from saying it was record setting, the rest of the info is shared so everyone can follow along on the journey of Maddness. LOL
 

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I may have the first polished housing on the stage 1..... I got bored last night while messing around in the garage and took the dremel with a polishing wheel and some hog snot to it.... still got some work to do, but its shining up nicely. my injectors will hopefully be out tonight and ready to be sent off... so hopefully by next weekend this thing will be ready to rock.
 

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For ***'s sake, the track times will come as more of these hit the street. Take the results posted here for what they're worth: they seem to be accurate dyno numbers.

Was anyone that made the list in either of these sticky's called out if they didn't have a track time / trap speed to back up their dyno #'s?


http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=727

http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728


The math adds up (turbo specs + injector specs = horsepower number). It's not like he's claiming 600 hp on stock turbo and stock sticks.
 

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For ***'s sake, the track times will come as more of these hit the street. Take the results posted here for what they're worth: they seem to be accurate dyno numbers.

Was anyone that made the list in either of these sticky's called out if they didn't have a track time / trap speed to back up their dyno #'s?


http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=727

http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728


The math adds up (turbo specs + injector specs = horsepower number). It's not like he's claiming 600 hp on stock turbo and stock sticks.

You have a pretty valid point, but they might not get questioned because they are popular members on this and other forums.
 

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For ***'s sake, the track times will come as more of these hit the street. Take the results posted here for what they're worth: they seem to be accurate dyno numbers.

Was anyone that made the list in either of these sticky's called out if they didn't have a track time / trap speed to back up their dyno #'s?


http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=727

http://powerstrokearmy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728


The math adds up (turbo specs + injector specs = horsepower number). It's not like he's claiming 600 hp on stock turbo and stock sticks.

They get questioned all the time - take a look at the list - either they have track times - or multiple dyno events to back up the power - at least for the most part (I'm sure you might find a couple on those lists that aren't backed up).

You have a pretty valid point, but they might not get questioned because they are popular members on this and other forums.

That has nothing to do with it. In fact I resent that accusation. I don't give a damn about who anyone is - if they make power, great! But on a new product and combination - I don't think anyone should just accept a one time deal - especially with a claim like "highest power with __________"

I think all you guys might be taking this a little too personally. I'll be the first to tell anyone that I don't make any power - I don't think I ever had a dyno sheet over 500hp for a Powerstroke. Never made any runs at the drag strip either to back up my lack of power.
 

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The point is they are whiffing at why we are asking for track numbers.

Make all the claims about dyno records, that is fine. To actually support your numbers though, a track mph vs weight is REQUIRED to substantiate the #.

Read this...

http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85861&highlight=38r

if you truly understand what I'm saying and what this thread is about then I am sure you will not take the request for track times personally and understand that making claims of highest hp is rude to other vendors without supporting your #'s.
 

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The point is they are whiffing at why we are asking for track numbers.

Make all the claims about dyno records, that is fine. To actually support your numbers though, a track mph vs weight is REQUIRED to substantiate the #.

Read this...

http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85861&highlight=38r

if you truly understand what I'm saying and what this thread is about then I am sure you will not take the request for track times personally and understand that making claims of highest hp is rude to other vendors without supporting your #'s.

Marty, I wouldn't take it personally since I'm also from Elkton. LOL

I completely agree that track times will back up the hp numbers or if what was being claimed on the dyno was outrageous. And if they don't, then everyone should call b.s.. Just like a time at a drag strip, it needs to be backed up. From what I've read, it sounds like these turbos (not this one in particular though) have been on several different vehicles and the dyno runs seem legit. And I have to believe that as more people install these turbos on their trucks, we'll start seeing track times posted.

Kind of like when PHP posted up some really impressive numbers they hit on the dyno with their FICM tunes. Far beyond what any other vendor has been able to accomplish. At the time, they didn't have the track times to back them up, and to be honest I can't remember seeing any updates (not saying they're not there, I just haven't seen them).

Personally, I'm excited about this development but I'm not ready to pull the trigger on one yet. Kind of like the first model year of a new vehicle, some time will have to pass to see if there are any bugs that need to be worked out. The two biggest concerns I have are tuning and longevity.

The only point I guess I was trying to make is that these are new products, and there are relatively few out in customers' hands. It seems like a lot of folks are ready to jump on the dog pile before even giving them a chance to prove (or discredit) themselves.
 
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Dyno numbers are funny. We had a truck that had the exact same setup as another truck, same tuning, same injectors and so forth, also same dyno but 6 weeks apart, the truck 6 weeks ago makes 485, the one this past weekend makes 406. Then a 6.4 gets on the dyno after that run and puts down like 692 and that truck only had an exhaust and tuning, nothing else.
 

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That has nothing to do with it. In fact I resent that accusation. I don't give a damn about who anyone is - if they make power, great! But on a new product and combination - I don't think anyone should just accept a one time deal - especially with a claim like "highest power with __________"

What accusation....other than a couple of guys vids and dyno sheets there are no other people backing up anything in either thread.
People are buying parts based on word of mouth all the time, for example look at the thread that was just closed.....two vendors flat out refused to even test their product and one would not even do if the testing was paid for by somebody else.....and in both situations they are popular shops that are already selling or will soon be selling the product in question......and nobody says a word.

Now you have a couple of guys with zero backing from any shop throw a one off turbo on a truck and share what they find out on a public forum for all to read and all people can say is " where are the track times "......that there is a boat load of gratitude.

I fully understand the need for more data and I have no doubt in my mind that it will come when there is more than one of these things on the road, but dont like snake said dont expect it to happen all at once.
 
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Kind of like when PHP posted up some really impressive numbers they hit on the dyno with their FICM tunes. Far beyond what any other vendor has been able to accomplish. At the time, they didn't have the track times to back them up, and to be honest I can't remember seeing any updates (not saying they're not there, I just haven't seen them).

I dont think there were any track times with just the FICM tuning changes....and so far I dont think anybody has cried foul on that one either.....I am in no way saying anybody should either....just noticing a bit of a trend that pops up sometimes.
 

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Funny thing is that half the people bitching about track times either A. Don't have the funds to buy one or B. Have no intention upon buying one.
Speaking of people with no money I would be willing to test one of them stage 5's if your willing to pay for it and the supporting mods cause I want one lol.

-Jake-
 

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Funny thing is that half the people bitching about track times either A. Don't have the funds to buy one or B. Have no intention upon buying one.
Speaking of people with no money I would be willing to test one of them stage 5's if your willing to pay for it and the supporting mods cause I want one lol.

-Jake-


LMAO! I think you better recheck who's asking. LOL

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I think its hilarious. When I posted my findings with the Stage 2 and stock injectors I got the same thing, "You gotta back that number up". Then when guys found out the truck had been dynoed several times and backed up the claimed number very consistently, passing it once, it all stopped. Kinda like other venders just wanted the thread to go away. Let these guys keep asking for track times, all they are doing is bumping these threads back up to the top and causing more guys to see them. Thus we have more guys interested in these turbo's, resulting in someone with a built tranny buying one and taking it to the track. I for one can't afford to scatter my transmission all over hell and half of north GA, so my truck will not be going to the track till' our new baby is born and I feel comfortable spending the money..... Then my friends, there will be some Cummins and DMax owners asking themselves WTF just happened?

BTW, Lets all remember, we're all on the same side here. We all wanna see Fords make big power. The track times will come. I can tell you from experience though, the turbo's do great things for these trucks. As Adrian stated earlier, it's all about whether or not the customer is happy and I havn't heard any MTW customers complaining.
 

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I think it's funny y'all think you're the only people they ask for track times.
 
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